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Subject: Re: [chairs] Recommendations for Version Control System!


I believe that Oasis is currently looking into Jira.

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On Oct 31, 2008, at 8:32 AM, Barnhill, William [USA] wrote:

>
> All,
>
> Definitely agree with Mike on issue tracking being vital.  Each TC  
> currently does its own thing, with varying degrees of success.   
> Atlassian (makers of Jira) has a free Jira use for established Open  
> Source projects policy. I could easily see them being persuaded to  
> adopt a free for Open Standards development orgs policy if OASIS  
> talked to them.
>
> I also agree that initially the main use for VCS will be conformance  
> and test suite files, but I think that will change.  It may be  
> wishful thinking but I predict technical committees getting more  
> into XML documents (Docbook and/or Dita) as the main version, with  
> PDF and HTML versions generated from those documents.  I'd also  
> predict more of a demand for reference implementation of standards  
> being created as part of the standards publication process.  If  
> these two predictions come true both are going to need a good VCS.
>
> I believe someone mentioned using GIT in conjunction with  
> Subversion, which got me thinking that might actually be the best of  
> both worlds.  I found similar thoughts in more detail at this blog  
> post:
> http://jpz-log.info/archives/2008/10/29/subversion-git-when-to-choose-one-or-the-other/
> Bill Barnhill
> Booz | Allen | Hamilton
> mailto:barnhill_william@bah.com
> phone:+1.315.330.7386 // +1.315.491.6765 (cell)
> i-name: urn:xri:=Bill.Barnhill
>
> From: Mike Edwards
> Sent: Fri 10/31/2008 7:37 AM
> To: dennis.hamilton@acm.org; chairs@lists.oasis-open.org; 'Duane  
> Nickull'; 'Norman Walsh'
> Subject: RE: [chairs] Recommendations for Version Control System!
>
>
> Folks,
>
> The main use I see for a version control system is going to be with  
> the mass of files which are going
> to be associated with conformance and test suite,  This stuff really  
> is like a coding project, at least for
> the SCA related TCs.  XML files, code files of various types.
>
> Rather than "bug tracking", the SCA TCs think that an issue tracking  
> system is vital for any TC work
> and we have been using a JIRA system hosted on www.osoa.org for some  
> time now.  We needed
> permission from OASIS to do this, but we ensured that OASIS rules  
> apply to that system, with full
> public read access and a controlled list of issue editors elected  
> from each TC.  It has worked well
> for us so far.
>
>
> Yours,  Mike.
>
> Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.
> Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.
> IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN, Great Britain.
> Phone & FAX: +44-1962-818014    Mobile: +44-7802-467431
> Email:  mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com
>
>
> From:
> "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
> To:
> <chairs@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Cc:
> "'Norman Walsh'" <ndw@nwalsh.com>, "'Duane Nickull'" <dnickull@adobe.com 
> >
> Date:
> 30/10/2008 18:08
> Subject:
> RE: [chairs] Recommendations for Version Control System!
>
>
>
>
> It doesn't look like CMIS is going to be looking at versioning in the
> source-control sense any time soon (they mention WebDAV as related  
> work, but
> not DeltaV).
>
> I think the current stability and ubiquitous deployment of  
> Subversion makes
> it the SHOULD case, and there has to be good reason not to use it.   
> It is
> also valuable that distributed versioning systems like git (I don't  
> know
> about Mercurial) have adapters in and out of Subversion so, from my
> preference for off-line use, I can have my cake and eat it too, with  
> or
> without a local-machine hosting of Subversion.  There are also  
> Subversion
> gateways into Microsoft Team Server style systems, such as CodePlex.  
> (I
> forget what I once knew about Eclipse, though confident Subversion  
> support
> is there along with CVS.)
>
> I am not so sure that a source-code versioning system is all that
> well-suited for standards development work, and even building  
> repositories
> of sample documents related to conformance work.  If there is software
> involved, that's a different matter.
>
> An important consideration in using such a system is whether it is  
> hosted by
> OASIS or not.  The advantage of hosting by OASIS is that the IPR  
> rules and
> considerations for contributions, whether by a TC membership or public
> submitters (similar to public commenters), would presumably be  
> handled for
> anyone having write access, although there could be open read access  
> and a
> web interface, features that Subversion hostings provide for.   
> Dealing with
> submission provenance and curation is important for TC work.
>
> Finally, I think consideration of bug tracking is valuable, as are
> change-management support.  I notice in my own experience with  
> errata for
> the ODF specifications that a bug tracking system is important in  
> making
> sure that we are attentive to public comments, that in-TC  
> counterparts of
> comments are preserved and tracked, and that tracking of the impact of
> new-edition changes on existing approved standards are managed  
> properly.
> Having tool support for this strikes me as very important, and a
> bug-tracking mechanism might be pressed into that service rather well.
> There appears to be too much friction in the current Kavi  
> functionality to
> do tracking easily.  A wiki can help, but something more structured  
> and
> systematic, if set up with care, can be much more easily used and the
> content maintained reliably.
>
> - Dennis
>
> PS: I didn't know, until I started receiving posts to this list,  
> that a TC
> Secretary is viewed somewhat like an unelected committee officer as  
> far as
> OASIS lists and such are concerned.  Makes sense, just wasn't  
> expecting it.
> I will now see if my receiving the list allows write privileges. (If  
> there
> is an archive, I haven't found it.)
>
> Dennis E. Hamilton
> ------------------
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@adobe.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 19:05
> To: Norman Walsh; chairs@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [chairs] Recommendations for Version Control System!
>
> Let's see what CMIS brings.
>
> ;-)
>
>
> On 28/10/08 6:25 PM, "Norman Walsh" <ndw@nwalsh.com> wrote:
>
> > azydron@xml-intl.com writes:
> >> SVN, no ifs or buts! It is the only way to go.
> >
> > Well, something more peer-to-peer like Mercurial has advantages too.
> > The ability to do commits when I'm on a plane is very nice.
> >
> > That said, svn is probably the most straightforward choice.
> >
> >                                         Be seeing you,
> >                                           norm
>
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