Re: [chairs] What can Standards Development / TC Administration doto help?

[Anish Karmarkar <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>]

Having worked in W3C as an editor as well, I on the other hand, liked 
the fact that I could use my favourite non-WYSIWIG editor and be more 
productive. Especially when large changes where involved. Or even write 
scripts that could do search and replace for things like namespace URI 
changes in schema/examples etc. Or define an XML entity for a namespace 
URI; a change in the NS URI then leads to just one change (no example 
has to be updated). The biggest issue that I found in w3c (this was a 
few years ago and things may be better now), in working in XML and using 
XSLTs to generate HTML was that the diff-ing of the output (HTML) was 
woefully inadequate. So when an editor made large scale changes, it was 
hard for the WG members to figure out exactly what changes were made by 
looking at the HTML.

But I certainly recognize that most folks do want a WSYIWIG editor and 
don't like to use vim/emacs.

-Anish
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On 4/22/2010 12:38 PM, Kelvin Lawrence wrote:
> As much as I am an XML advocate, requiring the use of an XML editor or a
> text editor like Vi to author documents is a major non starter for me. I
> want to be able to use my word processor to edit WYSIWIG style. One of
> the things I have always found hard at W3C is that specs are authored in
> XML and then processed by style sheets to produce the specs. While it is
> a great use of the technology, it is not the easiest way for an editor
> to work especially as will be the case in many TCs an editor not skilled
> in the art of working in native XML but very comfortable using a word
> processor type app.
>
>
> Cheers
> Kelvin
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> From: 	Mary McRae <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
> To: 	Frederick Hirsch <frederick.hirsch@nokia.com>
> Cc: 	Bob Freund <Bob.Freund@hitachisoftware.com>, Dave Ings
> <ings@ca.ibm.com>, "chairs@lists.oasis-open.org"
> <chairs@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Date: 	04/22/2010 02:30 PM
> Subject: 	Re: [chairs] What can Standards Development / TC
> Administration do to help?
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> There's a few free XML editors out there, or maybe a handful of
> companies would like to make their products available for use by TC members.
>
> Mary
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> On Apr 22, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Frederick Hirsch wrote:
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>  > I see the benefit of automation of publication checking and tool
> driven production of various output formats. This also might make useful
> templates easier to work with.
>  >
>  > What about authoring tools, or would editors be working in
> ed/vi/emacs (not that all mind doing so)?
>  >
>  > regards, Frederick
>  >
>  > Frederick Hirsch
>  > Nokia
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:57 PM, ext Mary McRae wrote:
>  >
>  >> Agreed. How would the chairs feel about mandating all specs be
> created in an OASIS XML format?
>  >>
>  >> m
>  >>
>  >> On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Bob Freund wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> How much of this review might be automated?
>  >>> might be a lot if we had an xml publication format.
>  >>>
>  >>> On Apr 22, 2010, at 9:24 AM, Dave Ings wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>>> +1
>  >>>>
>  >>>> This would really cut down on the iterative churn that seems to
> frustrate the people involved in the publication process. Great idea!
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Regards, Dave Ings,
>  >>>> Emerging Software Standards
>  >>>> Email: ings@ca.ibm.com
>  >>>> Yahoo Messenger: dave_ings
>  >>>>
>  >>>> <graycol.gif>Hanssens Bart ---2010/04/22 09:02:30 AM---> Would you
> like us to review your specifications prior to TC ballots so you don't
> need to go back a
>  >>>>
>  >>>> From: Hanssens Bart <Bart.Hanssens@fedict.be>
>  >>>> To: Mary McRae <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>,
> "chairs@lists.oasis-open.org" <chairs@lists.oasis-open.org>
>  >>>> Date: 2010/04/22 09:02 AM
>  >>>> Subject: RE: [chairs] What can Standards Development / TC
> Administration do to help?
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>> > Would you like us to review your specifications prior to TC
> ballots so you don't need to go back and fix stuff afterwards?
>  >>>>
>  >>>> That would be very helpful indeed, especially for new TC's /
> people submitting specifications for the first time...
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Best regards
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Bart
>  >>>
>  >>
>  >
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