RE: [chairs] This Old House (OASIS) - Further Response to Peter Brown

[Martin Chapman <MARTIN.CHAPMAN@oracle.com>]

Wouldn't it be great if each mail sent to a Tc list includes the url to the archive location of each mail!
The problem with markmail, as Patrick hints at, is it's a separate copy. If you locate a mail in markmail, you still have to go into OASIS archives to get an OASIS URL

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Durusau [mailto:patrick@durusau.net]
> Sent: 29 April 2010 12:08
> To: robert_weir@us.ibm.com
> Cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [chairs] This Old House (OASIS) - Further Response to Peter Brown
> 
> Rob,
> 
> Just popped back in to close the office down.
> 
> On 4/28/2010 8:06 PM, robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote:
> > Patrick Durusau<patrick@durusau.net>  wrote on 04/28/2010 07:15:15 PM:
> >
> >> On 4/28/2010 5:11 PM, robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> Oh, I think this is more like saying don't trust a house builder
> >>> whose toolbox is not neatly organized.  Maybe, maybe not.  I think
> >>> it is something that would need to be demonstrated, not assumed.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> OK, how many examples would count for a demonstration?
> >>
> >>
> > Let's see if we can start with one good one.
> >
> >
> OK, let's start at the OASIS homepage and go to the Committees by Name page.
> 
> Limiting ourselves to active TCs.
> 
> Looking at the right hand menu bar, if you wanted to check on the most recent activity of a TC, does
> it seem likely you would choose the menu choice labeled "minutes?"
> 
> Pick any three TCs and see what result you get.
> 
> BTW, while you are at each of those TCs, you might want to see what you get under Documents as well.
> 
> You might want to also check on the FAQ link as well for the TCs.
> 
> Having navigation links that consistently resolve to something useful for all TCs isn't that high of a
> bar.
> 
> Having TCs consistently store their documents so that members of the public can find them, isn't that
> high of a bar.
> 
> >> Give me a reasonable number and I will post them to this list, naming
> >> names as it were.
> >>
> >> Here's one to get us started (although this is true across all TCs
> >> that I am aware of):
> >>
> >> Follow this link to get ODF email archives:
> >>
> >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office/messages.php
> >>
> >> Now, follow this link to get ODF email archives:
> >>
> >> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/
> >>
> >> Do you notice anything different about those two pages?
> >>
> >> (Hint: You can search using MarkMail with the second one.)
> >>
> >>
> > > From the public-facing perspective, the later URL is what is pointed
> > > to
> > from the TC's public-facing home page, so that is what I expect the
> > public would use.  The former URL is linked to from the
> > password-protected Kavi page, so the public would not stumble on that
> > page.  The exception would be a TC member posted an email with a hyperlink to a URL from the private
> > repository.  Is that what you are seeing?   I know we had a problem
> > similar to that with doc repository links a while back.
> >
> >
> Missing my point.
> 
> The email documents in both cases are identical.
> 
> Why shouldn't TC members when they are logged in have the same email search capabilities (MarkMail) as
> a member of the public?
> 
> Doesn't it seem odd that we would point TC members, who have logged in, to less search capabilities
> for email?
> 
> >> Err, would having a uniform way to access email archives, hopefully
> >> MarkMail, be too much trouble?
> >>
> >>
> > I assume that, for IPR documentation reasons at least, OASIS will
> > always need to store their own copy of the emails.  But I wonder if a
> > URL rewrite rule in Apache could simply redirect the "private" URLs to
> > the public copy?  That would handle historic uses of the private URLs
> > as well as future ones.
> >
> >
> Well, yes, the MarkMail archive is a separate copy, probably for IPR reasons.
> 
> But that doesn't mean we need separate pages for search capabilities. cf the default public page which
> has both.
> 
> Hope you are at the start of a great day!
> 
> Patrick
> 
> 
> > -Rob
> >
> >
> 
> --
> Patrick Durusau
> patrick@durusau.net
> Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34
> Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps)
> Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1,
> 13250-5 (Topic Maps)
>