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Subject: Re: [chairs] This Old House (OASIS) - Further Response to Peter Brown
I believe that modern forum features include the ability to interact via email as well as browser. This not only provides a natural archive mechanism that is referenced in each message, but also a reasonable search mechanism once you get there. b On Apr 30, 2010, at 4:03 AM, Martin Chapman <MARTIN.CHAPMAN@oracle.com> wrote: > Wouldn't it be great if each mail sent to a Tc list includes the url > to the archive location of each mail! > The problem with markmail, as Patrick hints at, is it's a separate > copy. If you locate a mail in markmail, you still have to go into > OASIS archives to get an OASIS URL > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Patrick Durusau [mailto:patrick@durusau.net] >> Sent: 29 April 2010 12:08 >> To: robert_weir@us.ibm.com >> Cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org >> Subject: Re: [chairs] This Old House (OASIS) - Further Response to >> Peter Brown >> >> Rob, >> >> Just popped back in to close the office down. >> >> On 4/28/2010 8:06 PM, robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote: >>> Patrick Durusau<patrick@durusau.net> wrote on 04/28/2010 07:15:15 >>> PM: >>> >>>> On 4/28/2010 5:11 PM, robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> Oh, I think this is more like saying don't trust a house builder >>>>> whose toolbox is not neatly organized. Maybe, maybe not. I think >>>>> it is something that would need to be demonstrated, not assumed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> OK, how many examples would count for a demonstration? >>>> >>>> >>> Let's see if we can start with one good one. >>> >>> >> OK, let's start at the OASIS homepage and go to the Committees by >> Name page. >> >> Limiting ourselves to active TCs. >> >> Looking at the right hand menu bar, if you wanted to check on the >> most recent activity of a TC, does >> it seem likely you would choose the menu choice labeled "minutes?" >> >> Pick any three TCs and see what result you get. >> >> BTW, while you are at each of those TCs, you might want to see what >> you get under Documents as well. >> >> You might want to also check on the FAQ link as well for the TCs. >> >> Having navigation links that consistently resolve to something >> useful for all TCs isn't that high of a >> bar. >> >> Having TCs consistently store their documents so that members of >> the public can find them, isn't that >> high of a bar. >> >>>> Give me a reasonable number and I will post them to this list, >>>> naming >>>> names as it were. >>>> >>>> Here's one to get us started (although this is true across all TCs >>>> that I am aware of): >>>> >>>> Follow this link to get ODF email archives: >>>> >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office/messages.php >>>> >>>> Now, follow this link to get ODF email archives: >>>> >>>> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/ >>>> >>>> Do you notice anything different about those two pages? >>>> >>>> (Hint: You can search using MarkMail with the second one.) >>>> >>>> >>>> From the public-facing perspective, the later URL is what is >>>> pointed >>>> to >>> from the TC's public-facing home page, so that is what I expect the >>> public would use. The former URL is linked to from the >>> password-protected Kavi page, so the public would not stumble on >>> that >>> page. The exception would be a TC member posted an email with a >>> hyperlink to a URL from the private >>> repository. Is that what you are seeing? I know we had a problem >>> similar to that with doc repository links a while back. >>> >>> >> Missing my point. >> >> The email documents in both cases are identical. >> >> Why shouldn't TC members when they are logged in have the same >> email search capabilities (MarkMail) as >> a member of the public? >> >> Doesn't it seem odd that we would point TC members, who have logged >> in, to less search capabilities >> for email? >> >>>> Err, would having a uniform way to access email archives, hopefully >>>> MarkMail, be too much trouble? >>>> >>>> >>> I assume that, for IPR documentation reasons at least, OASIS will >>> always need to store their own copy of the emails. But I wonder >>> if a >>> URL rewrite rule in Apache could simply redirect the "private" >>> URLs to >>> the public copy? That would handle historic uses of the private >>> URLs >>> as well as future ones. >>> >>> >> Well, yes, the MarkMail archive is a separate copy, probably for >> IPR reasons. >> >> But that doesn't mean we need separate pages for search >> capabilities. cf the default public page which >> has both. >> >> Hope you are at the start of a great day! >> >> Patrick >> >> >>> -Rob >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Patrick Durusau >> patrick@durusau.net >> Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 >> Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) >> Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC >> 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, >> 13250-5 (Topic Maps) >> >
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