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Subject: Re: [chairs] Why the DITA Adoption TC cares about "templates"


Thanks for the correction, Peter.  I'm obviously behind the times on
Word's progress.  When did PDF output get added?

Jon

Peter F Brown wrote:
> Whatever the advantages of OpenOffice over Word, export to PDF isn't one of them. Both perform this function OOTB perfectly well
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Peter F Brown
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> Sent from my Phone - Apologies for typos, levity and brevity - it's hard to type on a moving planet
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Bosak
> Sent: Friday, 24 December, 2010 16:33
> To: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [chairs] Why the DITA Adoption TC cares about "templates"
> 
> 
> 
>> In UBL we have (of course :-)) been providing all of our documents
>> as specified in the OASIS process.  Based on our experience, I
>> have to say that some of the ways you can do this are a lot
>> easier, or give better results, than some of the others.  Ways we
>> have tried include:
>>
>>   - Authoring in HTML alone.  This works great (we published UBL
>>     0.7 and UBL 1.0 this way), but then the OASIS Board decided
>>     that HTML wasn't good enough for hypertexts (!) and added the
>>     requirement to produce PDF as well.  It has never been
>>     satisfactorily explained why this was found to be necessary.
>>
>>   - Authoring in Word or OpenOffice (using the templates provided
>>     by OASIS) and then creating both PDF and HTML from that.  Using
>>     OpenOffice has the advantage of not requiring the purchase of a
>>     PDF writer (typically Adobe Acrobat).  This works reasonably
>>     well and is the workflow we used for our UBL Guidelines for
>>     Customization.  I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it for
>>     smallish ad hoc TC work products.
>>
>>   - Authoring in DocBook and then generating HTML and PDF from that
>>     source using the tools provided by OASIS (which are largely
>>     based on the work of the OASIS DocBook TC).  The DocBook is
>>     translated by XSLT scripts directly into HTML and also into
>>     XSL-FO, from which you can generate rather nice-looking PDF.
>>     This works very well and (once you've got everything running
>>     correctly) is far and away the best of the three methods when
>>     it comes to managing big, complex documents with a lot of
>>     internal references like UBL.  We've used this workflow
>>     successfully with UBL 2.0, the UBL 2.0 Naming and Design Rules,
>>     and UBL 2.1 PRD1.
>>
>>     The big problem with this last approach -- aside from the
>>     requirement that your authors have to be comfortable working in
>>     XML -- is that we don't have good, free XSL-FO formatters set
>>     up for OASIS use.  In UBL 2.0 (2006) we threw up our hands and
>>     produced the PDF deliverable by importing the generated HTML
>>     into something (probably OpenOffice) and then regenerating the
>>     PDF from that in order to satisfy OASIS.  The results were not
>>     exactly unreadable, but they were so bad that we actually had
>>     to insert a notice in the PDF telling people to please ignore
>>     it and use the HTML.  In recent years we have been lucky enough
>>     to use contributed licenses from a leading maker of FO
>>     formatting software, but this is not a strategy that will work
>>     for everyone.  What's needed, I think, is a version of
>>     something like FOP or (my favorite) xmlroff that can be
>>     downloaded along with the rest of the DocBook "template" to
>>     create a complete OASIS publishing environment.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> Jeff Mischkinsky wrote:
>>> On Dec 23, 2010, at 11:52 AM, JoAnn Hackos wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jeff,
>>>> The Adoption TC has been developing feature articles, not committee
>>>> notes. Our feature articles are only provided in PDF. Thus, HTML is a
>>>> new requirements because our feature articles must now be released as
>>>> committee notes.
>>> What were they released as before?
>>>
>>>  From the (old) TC Process:
>>> "Editable formats of all versions of TC documents must be delivered to 
>>> the TC’s document repository. TC Working Drafts may be in any format 
>>> (i.e. produced by any application). All TC-approved versions of 
>>> documents (i.e. Committee Drafts, Public Review Drafts, and Committee 
>>> Specifications) must be delivered to the TC’s document repository in the 
>>> (1) editable source, (2) HTML or XHTML, and (3) PDF formats; and the TC 
>>> must explicitly designate one of those delivered formats as the 
>>> authoritative document. Any links published by the TC shall be to the 
>>> HTML, XHTML and/or PDF formats stored using repositories and domain 
>>> names owned by OASIS and as approved by the TC Administrator."
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>  jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> JoAnn Hackos
>>>> Co-Chair DITA Adoption TC
>>>>
>>>> JoAnn Hackos PhD
>>>> President
>>>> Comtech Services, Inc.
>>>> joann.hackos@comtech-serv.com
>>>> Skype joannhackos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Jeff Mischkinsky [mailto:jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 12:11 PM
>>>> To: Kristen Eberlein
>>>> Cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [chairs] Why the DITA Adoption TC cares about "templates"
>>>>
>>>> hi kristen,
>>>>   one clarification below
>>>> On Dec 17, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Kristen Eberlein wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Based on off-list e-mails, I thought I should clarify some issues:
>>>>>
>>>>> *         The DITA Adoption TC authors its white papers in DITA.
>>>>> *         The new processes now require us to provide editable
>>>>> source, PDF, and XHTML for the white papers.
>>>> I don't believe this is a new requirement. I searched back, and found
>>>> the requirement going all the way back to the August 2006 version of
>>>> the TC Process (where i stopped searching).
>>>> Whether it's been enforced is a different question. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> For the record:  all the previous versions of the TC Process can be
>>>> found on linked from http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.php
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>>   jeff
>>>>
>>>>> *         We cannot code the necessary transformations for XHTML
>>>>> without knowing what the requirements (font, font size, font weight,
>>>>> headers, footers, tables, etc.) are.
>>>>> *         We want the requirements to be defined and stable:
>>>>> o   We want to have a clearly specified set of requirements so that
>>>>> we can ensure that our work products meet them.
>>>>> o   We do not want to have to redevelop the transformations except
>>>>> at specified and set intervals.
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Kris
>>>>> Co-chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee
>>>>> Charter member, OASIS DITA Adoption Committee
>>>>> Kristen James Eberlein l DITA Architect and Technical Specialist l
>>>>> SDL Structured Content Technologies Division l (t) + 1 (919)
>>>>> 682-2290 lkeberlein@sdl.com
>>>>> <image001.jpg>
>>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail
>>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Jeff Mischkinsky
>>>> jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com
>>>> Sr. Director, Oracle Fusion Middleware
>>>> +1(650)506-1975
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Jeff Mischkinsky                              jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com
>>> Sr. Director, Oracle Fusion Middleware                 +1(650)506-1975
>>>     and Web Services Standards                       500 Oracle Parkway, 
>>> M/S 2OP9
>>> Oracle                                Redwood Shores, CA 94065
>>>
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