Thanks, Jamie.
I've been reliably informed that OASIS gave up on the form I referred to
earlier and now just accepts comments through the list; that gives me a
better context.
But now I'm having trouble understanding why we need to acknowledge all
comments sent to a publicly visible, archived list. They're in the
list, right?
And people who care to see what eventually happened have the publicly
visible, archived record mandated by the process, right?
I hope no one is suggesting that a TC must act on any comment received
beyond what's already specified in our (extremely open) process or
worse, that it is under some kind of obligation to engage in discussion
with the genral public; that would not only be insupportable, it would
be quite unheard of in standards work conducted by experts, which is
what we're supposed to be doing here. A diplomatic regard for the
tender feelings of some very significant stakeholder will naturally
incline a chair with any sense to respond somehow (perhaps off the
comment list), but trying to mandate this kind of thing is at best
counterproductive.
I trust as usual that someone will set me right if I am further
misunderstanding the tenor of this discussion.
Jon
Jamie Clark wrote:
> +1 to Jon.
> We have a public review mechanism, and Feedback License, for comments
> coming from outside the TC's membership.
> We have TC members, who can contribute what they like subject to our
> IPR Policy, and can even bring in material from others, by vouching
> for its availability and contribution under that same policy.
> That's it. Nothing else comes in. Or at least, that's what our rules say.
> I don't think there was a proposal to change that?
> Cordially, JBC
>
> James Bryce Clark, General Counsel
> OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society
>
http://www.oasis-open.org/who/staff.php#clark
>
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Jon Bosak <bosak@pinax.com> wrote:
>> Hello Folks,
>>
>> Sorry to be late in catching up with this thread.
>>
>> I agree that TCs should be able to use whatever tool suits them and
>> still complies with the language already in place. Spreadsheets are
>> handy, and a couple of samples (like the ones already posted) will be
>> helpful to chairs unfamiliar with the idea.
>>
>> But the bit about public comments puzzles me. Are we no longer
>> maintaining IPR control over contributions made by people who are not
>> members of OASIS? My TC has been operating under the instruction given us lo, these many years ago that we cannot recognize comments that don't go through the official comment form. Is that form now going to feed some comment management mechanism, or are
we going to accept comments from anywhere, or what?
>>
>> If we've stopped being concerned about the IPR status of contributions,
>> my group would sure like to know about that.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>> Chet Ensign wrote:
>>> TC Chairs,
>>>
>>> Recently, I have had several discussions with people on comment
>>> resolution logs. As I'm sure you know from the TC Process, TCs are
>>> required to maintain logs of comments received and their resolution
>>> and provide them at several different points throughout the process.
>>> Specifically, in section 3.2 Public Review of a Committee Draft
>>> (
http://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process#publicReview),
>>> the process reads:
>>>
>>> "The TC must acknowledge the receipt of each comment, track the
>>> comments received, and post to its primary e-mail list its disposition
>>> of each comment at the end of the review period."
>>>
>>> Our growing liaisons with other standards bodies is making getting
>>> this right even more important.
>>>
>>> I believe it is becoming more and more important that we accomplish
>>> both the letter and the spirit of this requirement in order to make it
>>> easier for commenters to learn of the disposition of their feedback,
>>> for reviewers to learn what has happened between one public review and the next, and for voters to get a full picture of the history of a
>>> Committee Specification when it is advanced as a Candidate OASIS
>>> Standard.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate hearing your thoughts on how best to accomplish
>>> this, how best to provide you with the flexibility you need while
>>> ensuring that the record of comments and resolutions is maintained and made available over time. For example,
>>>
>>> - Some TCs are using JIRA successfully to track, manage and report on comments. Would training in using JIRA for this process be useful?
>>>
>>> - Some TCs are using spread sheets to track and report on feedback.
>>> Would template spread sheets help you adopt this approach?
>>>
>>> - Would a document on best practices help you and your TC put a
>>> mechanism in place to successfully track and report on comments.
>>>
>>> Please take a minute to share your thoughts with me on how we can make this work conveniently and securely. I want to gather the fruits of
>>> your experience and thoughts, as well as the feedback from your TC,
>>> before making any proposals for next steps. I look forward to hearing from you and meanwhile, thank you for all the work that you do here at OASIS.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> /chet
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