RE: [ciq] Max, does the following Russian address explanation from UPUma

I do not understand what you mean, Ram. Are you saying the UPU does in some cases and does not in other cases provide information about the address structure? Please explain and give an example of what you consider as provided and as not provided.

----- Original Message -----

From: Ram Kumar

To: ciq@lists.oasis-open.org

Cc: Rob Beauchamp

Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 5:37 PM

Subject: [ciq] FW: Global and application independent "Name and Address XML Specification" from OASIS

CIQ TC,

FYI.

Over the weekend I have completed representing over 50% (countries beginning in

A to L) of international addresses (from Universal Postal Union) in XML conforming to xAL V3.0.

For certain addresses, the UPU does not provide any information about the address structure and

therefore, I am unable to codify those addresses in XML.

Regards,

Ram

Ram Kumar
General Manager
Software R&D and Architecture
MSI BUSINESS SYSTEMS
Suite 204A, 244 Beecroft Road
Epping, NSW 2121, Australia
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From: Francois Vuilleumier [mailto:fvuille@attglobal.net]
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 12:40 AM
To: moumg@ties.itu.int
Cc: Ram Kumar; jelto.stant@upu.int; Jean_Luc_Champion@yahoo.com; karl.best@oasis-open.org; jamie.clark@oasis-open.org
Subject: NAD: Global and application independent "Name and Address XML Specification" from OASIS
Importance: High

to: e-business MoU/MG
to: K. Best, J. Clark and R. Kumar, OASIS
to: S. Jelto, UPU
to: J.-L. Champion, UN/CEFACT TBG

ladies and gentlemen,
++ seems we have to revisit the NAD (Name And Address) set of issues and work items (see below)
++ as an ISO/TC154 contribution, may I recall our Resolution 244 and Action 19 (see doc. 154n472, attached)
++ up to the e-mail below, nobody had been identified having resources to support our action 19
++ that concerns specially TBG groups: does Jean-Luc have a proposal and/or contact person ?
++ could we add NAD on the draft agenda of the next e-business MoU/MG ? see http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/e-business/mou/index.html
++ last but not least, we shall keep in very close touch with Stant Jelto of UPU !
all the best, Franēois

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ISO Franēois Vuilleumier, ISO/TC154 chair + ISO7372MA sec.
TC open trade data interchange is our aim
154 http://www.iso.org/tc154
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Subject: RE: Global and application independent "Name and Address XML Specification" from OASIS
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:47:20 +1000
Thread-Topic: Global and application independent "Name and Address XML Specification" from OASIS
Thread-Index: AcSs4SGFGnXIZXi5S2qKefa/G3S2nQ==
Priority: Urgent
Importance: high
From: "Ram Kumar" <RKumar@msi.com.au>
To: "Stant Jelto" <jelto.stant@upu.int>

Hi Stant,

If you can recollect, we communicated about a year ago.
Here at OASIS Customer Information Technical Committee,
we are working on the release of the next version (Version 3.0)
of xAL (extensible Address Language). xAL V2.0 (released in July 2002)
handles addresses of almost every country in greater detail and
is an application independent language that can be used/extended for
use in various applications such as CRM, Customer recognition, customer
registration, customer information systems, data quality management,
postal services, etc.

As part of V3.0 release, we intend to use all the international address
examples provided by the UPU web site
http://www.upu.org/post_code/en/postal_addressing_systems_member_countries.shtml
to demostrate the power of xAL.

We will righly acknowledge UPU in all our documents.

We therefore, seek your approval to use your address examples.

If there are any issues with this, please let us know.

Looking forward to hearing from you

Thank you

Regards,

Ram Kumar
Founding Chair,
OASIS CIQ TC
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ciq

General Manager
Software R&D and Architecture
MSI BUSINESS SYSTEMS
Suite 204A, 244 Beecroft Road
Epping, NSW 2121, Australia
Direct: +61-2-9815 0226
Mobile: +61-412 758 025
Fax: +61-2-98150200
URL: www.msi.com.au

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stant Jelto [mailto:jelto.stant@upu.int]
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 7:08 PM
> To: Ram Kumar; Stant Jelto
> Cc: CH (Douane) -Vuilleumier, Franēois; clivio@iso.org; Gray
> Steve; Betremieux Christine; rberwanger@bTrade.com;
> diskray@w150.aone.net.au; sue.probert@dial.pipex.com;
> michael.doran@cern.ch; Jean-Luc@Champion.Name;
> jean-luc.delcourt@cec.eu.int;
> Paul-Herve.Theunissen@cec.eu.int; heinz.engi@ezv.admin.ch;
> josef.schoebi@ezv.admin.ch; bernhard.spahr@ezv.admin.ch;
> samuel.kobel@ezv.admin.ch; jon.bosak@sun.com; mcrawfor@lmi.org
> Subject: RE: Global "Name and Address XML Standard" for OASIS
>
> Dear Mr. Kumar,
>
> Thank you for your message. I believe that you provide lots
> of useful and important information for our Addressing
> project (the so-called POST*Code group). There seems to be a
> clear need to coordinate this as best as we can.
>
> I will pass your message on to the group, and hope to be able
> to provide you with a reaction from their part soon.
>
> Thanks once more, and hopefully I'll be back with more info
> in the near future.
>
> Jelto Stant
> Manager, Standards Development & Support Universal Postal Union
>
> Tel: +41 31 3503 244
> Fax: +41 31 3503 110
> Internet: www.upu.int
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ram Kumar [mailto:rkumar@msi.com.au]
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 2:11 AM
> To: jelto.stant@upu.int
> Cc: fvuille@attglobal.net; clivio@iso.org;
> steve.gray@upu.int; christine.betremieux@upu.int;
> rberwanger@bTrade.com; diskray@w150.aone.net.au;
> sue.probert@dial.pipex.com; michael.doran@cern.ch;
> Jean-Luc@Champion.Name; jean-luc.delcourt@cec.eu.int;
> Paul-Herve.Theunissen@cec.eu.int; heinz.engi@ezv.admin.ch;
> josef.schoebi@ezv.admin.ch; bernhard.spahr@ezv.admin.ch;
> samuel.kobel@ezv.admin.ch; jon.bosak@sun.com; mcrawfor@lmi.org
> Subject: Global "Name and Address XML Standard" for OASIS
> Importance: High
>
> Hi,
>
> My name is Ram Kumar and I am the founding Chairman of
> Customer Information Technical Committee of OASIS. We spent
> over 3 years developing a global name and address standard in
> XML and we have released the standard that is widely used
> around the world for various name and address applications.
> The standards
> are:
> extensible Name Language (xNL), and
> extensible Address Language (xAL).
>
> Details of these standards are in:
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ciq/ciq.html
>
> A customer could be a person or an organisation. An
> organisation can be private, public, not-for-profit,
> association, school, university, group, etc.
>
> These standards can be used as a base representation to
> support any name and address application such as postal
> services. It has been proven and widely tested to support
> 240+ country names and addresses at an abstract to a detailed
> level for various applications such as name and address
> parsing to name and address validation and correction. Sooner
> a Java library will be released that will enable users to
> take this Java APIs that process these standards.
>
> Couple of years ago when CEN (WG331) was at a proposal stage
> to develop an XML name and address standard under the
> chairmanship of Mr.Holger Wandt, my committee took the
> proposal and showed how these standards are a superset of
> what was being proposed. We requested the group to take these
> base standards and extend it to meet their specific
> requirement. Though there was agreement to our
> recommendation, they decided to develop their own.
>
> We as a committee are very keen to work with any group and
> extend our standards to accommodate any requirements.
>
> Our committee is also in liaison with UBL who have taken our
> address standard as part of their core library. Other OASIS
> committees such as Tax, eGovernment and Election and Voting
> services are keen on our standards. The UK Government and the
> New Zealand Government have already adopted our standards.
> The NSW Government of Australia is also close to taking our standards.
>
> All we are requesting here is to give serious consideration
> to these standards before developing another XML standard for
> name and address representation. We are willing to cooperate
> with any standard committee or bodies.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Ram
> Chair, OASIS CIQ TC
>
> Ram Kumar
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