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Subject: RE: [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo
Fair enough David.. OK, so how should we respond to these folk? I've had a look at the existing and the proposed new rules for TCs. Under the existing, I did not see any explicit mention of a TC needing to look at existing work of other OASIS TCs. But it is there in the new one (lines 183 -186). So I guess all we can do is express some disappointment that they did not look to other TCs, suggest that they: 1) familiarise themselves now with CIQ 2) look to the specs in future 3)..and maybe ask that they expressly mention CIQ in their presentation, as a starting point for typical data exchange across the WS - context spec? Cheers Colin -----Original Message----- From: David RR Webber [mailto:david@drrw.info] Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2004 1:47 a.m. To: Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz Cc: RKumar@msi.com.au; ciq@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo Who said anything about giving up ideals?! ; -) You just have to be patient - and seize the highground when you get the chance! DW Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz wrote: > Yes, I am aware you are a pragmatist on this, from other comments you > have made. > > The difficulty I have is that to give up on the ideal, is to make > OASIS a legitimate playground for vendors applications with jCAM > trying to plug them together.....we are getting towards the thin end > of the wedge and er, uncomfortably close to today's SI issues. > > Opposing it while retreating, is my stance I guess..until there really > is no hope, and then maybe I would switch to your position. > > But right now I think there is at least some hope!:-) > > Cheers > > Colin > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* David RR Webber [mailto:david@drrw.info] > *Sent:* Friday, 12 November 2004 5:11 p.m. > *To:* Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz; RKumar@msi.com.au; > ciq@lists.oasis-open.org > *Subject:* Re: [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo > > Colin, > > I'm a pragmatist on this. Noone can force any TC to do anything. > > My spin is therefore to try and build pieces that just happen to be > integrated with something else. So for Hermes ebMS, jCAM is a > plug-in. > > All I can suggest is that you have pluggable CIQ parts for popular > formats. > > I know I'm on the hook to do this with jCAM - I will get to that > in December - right now > I have a huge backlog - dealing with the Interop demo... > > DW > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz > <mailto:Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz> > *To:* RKumar@msi.com.au <mailto:RKumar@msi.com.au> ; > ciq@lists.oasis-open.org <mailto:ciq@lists.oasis-open.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 11, 2004 11:04 PM > *Subject:* RE: [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo > > This is just unbelievable! > > I don't know the Best Practice for Technical Committees but > surely to goodness there is a clause somewhere that states you > must identify the key drivers of your proposed standard and > socialise them with the rest of the OASIS community. > > I think this issue is one to put in front of OASIS management > and get some community wide discussion going. > > Because CIQ is so generic to data exchange we are going to > have this situation more and more. > > I think it is best to get it in the open, now..or at least > soonish. > > Cheers > > Colin > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Ram Kumar [mailto:RKumar@msi.com.au] > *Sent:* Friday, 12 November 2004 4:17 p.m. > *To:* ciq@lists.oasis-open.org > *Subject:* [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo > > CIQ TC, > > FYI. > > This is the problem we have at OASIS. Forget convergence > and re-usability of > standards outside of OASIS when there is no visibility > among OASIS TCs in > the first place! At OASIS we talk about convergence and > re-usability of standards/ > specifications. But this rarely happens! > > Ram > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Newcomer, Eric [mailto:Eric.Newcomer@iona.com] > *Sent:* Friday, November 12, 2004 12:48 AM > *To:* Ram Kumar; martin.chapman@oracle.com > *Cc:* ciq@lists.oasis-open.org > *Subject:* RE: XML 2004 Interop. demo > > Hi Ram, > > I'm afraid the answer is that we did not consider it and > I'm afraid I also must say that I am unfamiliar with the > CIQ specs. > > Do you think they are a good match for the WS-Context > specification? > > Eric > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Ram Kumar [mailto:RKumar@msi.com.au] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2004 5:47 PM > *To:* martin.chapman@oracle.com; Newcomer, Eric > *Cc:* ciq@lists.oasis-open.org > *Subject:* XML 2004 Interop. demo > > Hi Martin and Eric, > > I am the OASIS Chair for Customer Information > Standards TC (OASIS CIQ TC). > > I understanding that you are presenting the following > demo at XML 2004: > > Nov.17, 1:15PM -- OASIS WS-Composite Application > Framework - Arjuna, IONA and > Oracle will simulate three Web-based storefronts that > use WS-CAF to share > customer information. > > I am keen to know whether you considered representing > the customer information > content that you are going to share in the demo > using the OASIS CIQ specs. for > customer information. By this way, the whole demo will > be standards based and in > particular, representation of the content using an > industry spec. is very key for any > web services application. > > Looking forward to your views. > > Regards, > > Ram Kumar >
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