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Subject: Re: [ciq] XMLSpy Schema validation error


Max,

Agreed - the KISS principle applies.  We would certainly
want people to report syntax issues - but keeping it simple
in the first place mitigates against people have problems
when trying to use more exotic and hard to interprete
aspects of the schema specification.

DW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Voskob" <max.voskob@paradise.net.nz>
To: <ciq@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 6:11 PM
Subject: RE: [ciq] XMLSpy Schema validation error


>
> Hi all,
>
> It has never been an intention of CIQ to mandate what XML validator should
be used and I'm not aware
> about any popular standard that does that.
> Please, correct me here if I'm wrong.
>
> If a standard is tied up to a particular validator implementation then
what interoperability are we
> talking about?
>
> Cheers,
> Max
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info]
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 January 2005 11:53
> To: Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz; ciq@lists.oasis-open.org;
Michael.Roytman@vertexinc.com
> Subject: Re: [ciq] XMLSpy Schema validation error
>
> Colin,
>
> I've found that if the schema is done right - it can work in most all the
major implementations.  If
> not - then there is usually an issue with the technique being tried.
>
> DW
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz>
> To: <david@drrw.info>; <ciq@lists.oasis-open.org>;
<Michael.Roytman@vertexinc.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 3:10 PM
> Subject: RE: [ciq] XMLSpy Schema validation error
>
>
> >
> > ...and down in New Zealand we have been directing our government people
to
> > Xerces.  On one level we don't mind what parser is used.  But when it
> comes
> > to validating, say, an xNAL file used in data exchange, all parties
using
> > the same parser is important.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Colin
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info]
> > Sent: Saturday, 22 January 2005 6:46 a.m.
> > To: ciq@lists.oasis-open.org; Michael.Roytman@vertexinc.com
> > Subject: Re: [ciq] XMLSpy Schema validation error
> >
> >
> > Michael,
> >
> > I strongly suggest you also use OxygenXML.com validator too.
> >
> > It corrects many problems that XMLSpy does not identify.
> >
> > We are using OxygenXML to validate the BPSS V2 schema.
> >
> > DW
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <Michael.Roytman@vertexinc.com>
> > To: <ciq@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:12 AM
> > Subject: [ciq] XMLSpy Schema validation error
> >
> >
> > > This information should be considered when using XMLSpy 2005 for
complex
> > > schema design. I have noticed that XML schemas that contain multiple
> > > includes/imports are being validated differently in XMLSpy 2004/2005
and
> > > their respective views. Here are a few answers from the Altova support
> > team
> > > that may clarify things. I have made it a practice to validate schemas
> in
> > > the text view as well as use external parsers to assess possible
errors
> > and
> > > interpretations.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Forwarded by Michael Roytman/Construction/Vertexinc on
01/21/2005
> > > 10:58 AM -----
> > > |---------+---------------------------->
> > > |         |           "Altova Support  |
> > > |         |           Team"            |
> > > |         |           <support@altova.c|
> > > |         |           om>              |
> > > |         |                            |
> > > |         |           01/21/2005 10:32 |
> > > |         |           AM               |
> > > |         |                            |
> > > |---------+---------------------------->
> > >
> >
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----------------------------------------------------|
> > >   |
> > |
> > >   |       To:       <michael.roytman@vertexinc.com>
> > |
> > >   |       cc:
> > |
> > >   |       Subject:  RE: Schema validation error[ALTOVA Case # 13006]
> >                                       |
> > >
> >
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----------------------------------------------------|
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Michael,
> > >
> > >                          XML Spy includes two validators.  There is a
> > > partial
> > > validator implementation for the schema design view and a separate
> > > validator for the grid and text view.  As of version 2005 the text and
> > > grid view validator implementation is new and more accurate (according
> > > to the specifications) than the text and grid view validator
> > > implementation available in earlier versions of Spy.
> > >
> > > The error message that is shown when validating CoRApplication.xml
> > > refers to the reference 'ContactNumber' in CoRApplication.xsd  i.e.
> > > cannot resolve declaration or definition "Contact Number" in
namespace
> > > urn:oasis:names:tc:ciq:xsdschema:xCIL:2.0.  This error message is in
> > > fact correct as it would be necessary to directly import the xCIL.xsd
> > > schema directly into CoRApplication.xsd.  According to the
> > > specifications it is not valid to indirectly reference an element from
> > > another namespace.
> > >
> > >
> > >              <xsd:import
> > > namespace="urn:oasis:names:tc:ciq:xsdschema:xCIL:2.0"
> > > schemaLocation="..\ciq\2.0\xCIL.xsd"/>
> > >
> > >
> > > The fact that the schema design view has not picked up on this is
indeed
> > > a bug and has now been submitted to our internal bug databse for our
> > > developers to take a look at.  # 8716
> > >
> > >
> > > With regard to the validation speed: which schema are you validating
and
> > > generating documentation from and what are you generating, Word or
HTML?
> > >
> > > Thank you kindly.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > > ... Christian Luntzer
> > > ... Support Manager
> > > ... Altova GmbH
> > >
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> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: michael.roytman@vertexinc.com
> > > [mailto:michael.roytman@vertexinc.com]
> > > Sent: 14 January 2005 14:02
> > > To: Altova Support Team
> > > Subject: Schema validation error[ALTOVA Case # 13006]
> > >
> > > Case Number:13006
> > >
> > >
> > > ===============================================================
> > >                                Equipment Information
> > >
> > > ===============================================================
> > > Operating System: Windows 2000
> > > OS Service Pack: SP4
> > > OS Language: English
> > > CPU Speed: 1.6G Intel M
> > > Ram: 1GB
> > > IE Version: 6.0
> > > IE service Pack: Latest
> > > Office Version: 2000 (9.0.6926)
> > > Office Language: English
> > > Office Service Pack: SP-3
> > >
> > > ===============================================================
> > >                                  Product Information
> > >
> > > ===============================================================
> > > Product: XMLSpy Enterprise Edition
> > > Component:
> > > Version: 2005sp1
> > >
> > > ===============================================================
> > >                                  Support Request
> > >
> > > ===============================================================
> > > Summary:
> > >  Schema validation error
> > >
> > > Description:
> > >  Validation of an element that is referenced from an imported schema
> > > validates in XML Schema view but fails in the text or  grid view. The
> > > error occurs sporatically, since multiple elements are referenced and
> > > only one fails. Works fine in XMLSpy 2004. Also, same schema, which is
> > > very complex takes too much time to validate. The documentation
> > > generation crashes the system with 1GB of RAM.
> > >
> > > Any plans to clean up the application or should I revert to using the
> > > XMLSpy 2004.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Steps to Reproduce:
> > >   Please open the CoRApplication.xml which fails validation pointing
to
> > > the CoRApplicaiton.xsd CoRApplication.xsd validates in Schema view but
> > > does not in Text/Grid.
> > >
> > > There are references to the declarations in the imported schemas.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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