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Subject: RE: [cloudauthz] Meeting Minutes from March 4, 2013 + IMI Source Material


The example about an age claim involved a minor who is served a drink by using a forged driving license.  The relying party in this case is the bartender and the establishment and the issue is whether they can demonstrate that they were adequately diligent as a defense against having served a minor.  

Another example would be attestations that an on-line identification claimed to be that of an adult (even if created by a parent) leading to the minor being exposed to prohibited material, contact with a malicious adult or advertisements that are prohibited from targeting children.

I did take a look at the IMI TC.  There has been no TC activity on their mailing list since December, 2010.  The last use of the public comments list was June 2010.  The latest committee drafts are from September 2010 (on IMI-SAML profiles).  

The Identity 1.0 Specification (July 2009) is not listed on the TC page (which does not list any completed work).  This and the Errata are all available here: <http://docs.oasis-open.org/imi/identity/v1.0/os/>.  

There are Committee Specifications (August 2010) on IMI-SAML Profiles at < http://docs.oasis-open.org/imi/identity/cs/>.

-----Original Message-----
From: cloudauthz@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:cloudauthz@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Anil Saldhana
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 11:49
To: cloudauthz@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [cloudauthz] Meeting Minutes from March 4, 2013

Chat Transcript (also has attendance)
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abbie barbir: Agenda

abbie barbir: 1. Roll Call, Agenda Review and Minute Taker Nomination.

2. Approval of minutes - 2 Feb 2013

https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cloudauthz/201302/msg00013.html

3. Use Case Submissions Discussions

- Mike Poulin  (https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=48320&wg_abbrev=cloudauthz)

- Anil Saldhana (https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cloudauthz/201303/msg00000.html)

- Radu Marian (https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cloudauthz/201303/msg00003/CloudAuthZ.BAC.UseCases.doc)

- Darran Rolls (https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cloudauthz/201303/msg00001.html)

4. CloudAuthZ Face To Face (3-4 April 2013 in Santa Clara)

5. Other Discussions

6. Adjourn

abbie barbir: CONFERENCE CODE: 6703828003     US/Canada : 800-451-8679

anonymous morphed into Darran Rolls, SailPoint

anonymous morphed into Mohammad

anonymous morphed into Chris Kappler, PwC

anonymous1 morphed into Dale Moberg

AnilSaldhana(RedHat): can you please change your name to include company?

AnilSaldhana(RedHat): who is orcmid?

orcmid: orcmid = Dennis Hamilton

anonymous morphed into Gines Dolera (NEC)

Dale Moberg morphed into Dale Moberg, Axway

Danny Thorpe (Dell): the cloudauthz singalong...

Darran Rolls, SailPoint: please, no 

orcmid: @abbie, are you not on the call?

abbie barbir: calling

orcmid: Darran, are you dialed in?

Darran Rolls, SailPoint: My line dropped

Darran Rolls, SailPoint: Dialing back in

anonymous morphed into Radu Marian (Bank of America)

Darran Rolls, SailPoint: Correct link for my UC posting is https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cloudauthz/201303/msg00005.html

AnilSaldhana(RedHat): https://wiki.oasis-open.org/id-cloud/UseCaseTemplate

AnilSaldhana(RedHat): Discussion about Business Use Case Template from Mike Poulin

AnilSaldhana(RedHat): Anil: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cloudauthz/201303/msg00000.html

AnilSaldhana(RedHat): https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cloudauthz/201303/msg00007.html   Radu's Submission

AnilSaldhana(RedHat): Updated Radu's link: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cloudauthz/201303/msg00011.html

AnilSaldhana(RedHat): https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cloudauthz/201303/msg00001.html

AnilSaldhana(RedHat): Link to Darran Rolls submissions: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cloudauthz/201303/msg00001.html)

AnilSaldhana(RedHat): https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cloudauthz/201303/msg00001.html

AnilSaldhana(RedHat): =================

AnilSaldhana(RedHat): Company Name ascending Role
JPMorgan Chase Bank, N.A. Shaheen Abdul Jabbar Secretary
Bank of America Abbie Barbir Secretary
Novell Lloyd Burch Member
NEC Corporation Gines Dolera Tormo Member
Individual Dennis Hamilton Member
Veterans Health Administration Mohammad Jafari Member
PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP: Chris Kappler Member
Axway Software Dale Moberg Member
SailPoint Technologies Darran Rolls Member
Red Hat Anil Saldhana Chair
Quest Software Danny Thorpe Member

=====================


On 03/04/2013 01:00 PM, Abdul Jabbar, Shaheen N wrote:


	1.      Roll Call by Anil

Quorum Achieved. (3 out of 4 voting members - 75%)



	

	2.      Approval of Minutes

	a.      Lloyd made the motion; Mohammed approved

	3.      CloudAuthZ F2F at Santa Clara

	a.      On April 3rd and 4th.

	b.      Anil thinks it’s good to have F2F early in the process. OASIS has a room reserved room for us. Radu has expressed his desire to be there. Anil will be there. 

	4.      Use Case Submissions Discussions

	a.      Mike Poulin

	                                                    i.     Link provided in the chat room contains a template capture Use Cases. 

	                                                   ii.     It is more business driven.

	                                                  iii.     TC has no issues in using IF-ELSE conditions

	b.      Anil Saldhana

	                                                    i.     Anil went through the use case

	                                                   ii.     Entitlements can be considered permissions

	c.      Radu Marian

	                                                    i.     Radu went through two use cases he submitted 

	                                                   ii.     Use Case A – Entitlements Catalog

	1.      The catalog would have relationships, roles, enabling the services to be implemented. If there is no entitlement with a relationship, it would be hard to build a catalogue. The catalog should be enormously rich with symantec data.

	                                                  iii.     Use case B – Separation of Duties.

	1.      The one submitted is a simple use case. If we need a complex one, we can create a new one.

	2.      XACML may be too low level as an entitlement model.

	3.      The use case does not contain story [Shaheen]. Radu will have the contents for the story soon. 

	d.      Darran Rolls

	                                                    i.     Is Age an attribute for the policy? Is it created manually in the policy? [Radu] It could happen both ways. [Darran]

	                                                   ii.     Radu is not clear of the scope. 

	                                                  iii.     Driving with a forged driver’s license by a minor is a good example for the age use case. [Denis]

	                                                  iv.     Additional attributes to claims. Radu will investigate on IMI resource – ACTION ITEM

	5.      Documentation of Use Case

	a.      Who is going to convert use cases into Wiki? [Darran] It will be done on OASIS Wiki later during the process. [Anil]

	 

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