RE: Re: [cti-stix] Observation Rename

["Thompson, Dean" <Dean.Thompson@anz.com>]

Hi!,

+1 for "Observed Data" as it is an accurate description of what it refers to.  CybOX Data I think will confuse the issue and whilst CybOX objects might be contained within it, it truly is Observed Data.

Regards,

Dean

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From: cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Masato
Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 3:49 AM
To: cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc: Allan Thomson; Piazza, Rich; Kirillov, Ivan A.; Trey Darley
Subject: Re: Re: [cti-stix] Observation Rename


+1 for Observed Data

I may explain this data field to general (non technical) user easily.

Masato

On 2016/07/07 1:36, cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org wrote:
> Lets plan to discuss this and decide on the call today...  I think the two options right now from the email discussion are:
> 
> Observed Data
> CybOX Data
> 
> 
> Personally, I prefer Observed Data as it makes it technology agnostic.  We will always use CybOX for Cyber.  However, long term we may choose to fold in a parallel technology to work along side CybOX. Having the term be agnostic, makes that a lot easier.   
> 
> Can we get an informal vote via email?  
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bret
> 
> 
> 
> Bret Jordan CISSP
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> On Jul 6, 2016, at 09:35, Allan Thomson <HYPERLINK "mailto:athomson@lookingglasscyber.com"athomson@lookingglasscyber.com> wrote:
> 
> I would prefer “CyBox Data”.
> 
> The word “Fact” makes me nervous as it is a level of assessment that does not exist in the data that is provided.
> 
> Just because you captured data does not make that data accurate. One would have to determine how the data was captured, and measured to be translated into a Cybox/STIX object before you could say its ‘truth’.
> 
> allan
> 
> On 7/6/16, 7:38 AM, "HYPERLINK "mailto:cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org"cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org on behalf of Piazza, Rich" <HYPERLINK "mailto:cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org"cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org on behalf of HYPERLINK "mailto:rpiazza@mitre.org"rpiazza@mitre.org> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like "Facts about CybOX"
> 
> -1
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HYPERLINK "mailto:cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org"cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Kirillov, Ivan A.
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 10:30 AM
> To: Trey Darley <HYPERLINK 
> "mailto:trey@kingfisherops.com"trey@kingfisherops.com>; Jordan, Bret 
> <HYPERLINK "mailto:bret.jordan@bluecoat.com"bret.jordan@bluecoat.com>
> Cc: HYPERLINK 
> "mailto:cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org"cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [cti-stix] Observation Rename
> 
> +1 for CybOX Facts – I think it’s very clear and to the point. Also, it permits for the expression of cyber data that may be factual but not observed, such as future DGA-generated domains.
> 
> Regards,
> Ivan
> 
> On 7/6/16, 8:05 AM, "Trey Darley" <HYPERLINK "mailto:cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org"cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org on behalf of HYPERLINK "mailto:trey@kingfisherops.com"trey@kingfisherops.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 05.07.2016 17:41:12, Jordan, Bret wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> One option we talked about was just renaming one or both of the 
> objects.... What if we renamed "Observation" to "Observation Data"
> or something similar? Would it then be more clear that this object 
> just contains data or facts?
> 
> Other options, since this object can only support CybOX is we call it 
> "CybOX Data". The term "Cyber Data" was shot down on the call.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Occam's Razor: let's change Observation to CybOX Facts. Simple, 
> obvious, straight to the point.
> 
> --
> Cheers,
> Trey
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