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Subject: Re: [cti-taxii] More questions about tracking objects in collections


I agree. Only the latest version of a STIX object should be returned, and there should be a way for the client to explicitly ask for all versions if the client desires.

Cheers
Terry MacDonald
Cosive

On 25/01/2018 14:28, "John-Mark Gurney" <jmg@newcontext.com> wrote:
Bret Jordan wrote this message on Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 05:07 +0000:
> I have brought up a tangential question a bit ago, but I am still struggling with how to best address this.  I think the conclusion that we came do a few weeks back might in fact be wrong.....   I will do my best to try an explain the problem, at least the way I see it.
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> 1) A TAXII Server will probably want to have a repository / database of STIX content
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> 2) A TAXII Collection will have some subset of the total objects in its collection
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> 3) A STIX object can be in multiple collections
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> 4) An object in a collection probably means all versions of that object. Meaning, you would probably not want to individually track all versions of an options in each collection. Which also means, if you update an object you probably want the update to be available in every collection that it is found in.  You can see the problem at scale, take 1 billion objects, 1000 collections with 20% overlap of data.
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> Now lets look at the following small data set (yes the ID is not a valid UUIDv4 and the ver is not a timestamp, but this is done to illustrate things):
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> STIX Object Repo
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> indicator--1 ver 1, date_added 1999
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> indicator--1 ver 2, date_added 2000
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> indicator--1 ver 3, date_added 2001
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> indicator--1 ver 4, date_added 2002
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> indicator--1 ver 5, date_added 2003
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> indicator--1 ver 6, date_added 2004
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> indicator--1 ver 7, date_added 2005
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> indicator--1 ver 8, date_added 2006
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> indicator--1 ver 9, date_added 2007
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> indicator--1 ver 10, date_added 2008
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> indicator--1 ver 11, date_added 2009
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> indicator--1 ver 12, date_added 2010
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> indicator--2 ver 1, date_added 2011
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> indicator--3 ver 1, date_added 2012
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> indicator--4 ver 1, date_added 2013
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> indicator--5 ver 1, date_added 2014
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> indicator--6 ver 1, date_added 2015
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> indicator--7 ver 1, date_added 2016
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> Collection 1 Repo
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> indicator--1, date_added 1999
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> indicator--2, date_added 2011
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> indicator--3, date_added 2012
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> indicator--4, date_added 2013
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> indicator--5, date_added 2014
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> indicator--6, date_added 2015
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> indicator--7, date_added 2016
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> 5) Now lets assume that the TAXII server is set to only send 5 objects. (this is done for illustration purposes)
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> 6) When the client makes its first request with an added_after URL of 1998 the client will get the records indicator--1 ver 1 through indicator--1 ver 5 and the X-Headers will both be 1999.
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> 7) The second request will get weird, if you add for the added_after value of 1999 you will get the same records again or you will skip the remaining versions of indicator--1.
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> You can obviously try and record the version (modified timestamp) in the collection table as well, but that will be an enormous amount of book keeping at scale and prone to error and problem.  The only way i can really see to solve this is to track the date_added by the time the object comes in to the collection, not the time it was actually added to the collection.
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> So while we talked a few weeks ago about changing the text to say when an object was added to a collection, I think that might be in error.  Otherwise it gets ugly.
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> From a scale standpoint, think of collections with 100 million records or more and where some objects may be revisioned a 10,000 times.

I would say part of the problem is that multiple versions are returned.
IMO, unless you set a special flag, only the latest version of an object
should be returned.

That is an interesting point that if there are a large number of versions,
that you can end up skipping them, and this is an issue.

--
John-Mark

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