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Subject: Re: [cti] STIX Subcommittee Nomination


I was trying to just spell out exact what I read from Sean.  That we have one top level STIX working group, but then have sub-working groups (I think he called them "work product efforts") underneath.  And each (using his terminology) "work product efforts" would have their own leadership to drive it and make sure it gets done.  

I just do not see the STIX 1.x work going away anytime in the next few years.  It will slow down, yes, but it is not going away. And we need a group of people that are committed to its success and making sure the investments made by people hold true. 

The problem we have had over and over again on the old MITRE lists is discussions of future work and current work getting cross mixed and people getting all in a dither about the sky falling and the sun exploding.  I feel like if we keep them on separate lists, then it will be easy for people to discern what is being proposed and talked about. 

Thanks,

Bret



Bret Jordan CISSP
Director of Security Architecture and Standards | Office of the CTO
Blue Coat Systems
PGP Fingerprint: 62A6 5999 0F7D 0D61 4C66 D59C 2DB5 111D 63BC A303
"Without cryptography vihv vivc ce xhrnrw, however, the only thing that can not be unscrambled is an egg." 

On Jun 18, 2015, at 15:52, Bush, Jonathan <jbush@dtcc.com> wrote:

Bret – I think your email below is the opposite of what Sean proposed, unless I’m reading it wrong. 
 
From: cti@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:cti@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Jordan, Bret
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 5:47 PM
To: Sean D. Barnum
Cc: Joep Gommers; Aharon Chernin; tony@yaanatech.com; mona.magathan@usbank.com; cti@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [cti] STIX Subcommittee Nomination
 
If we have one big STIX committee then I would want the structure underneath it to represents separate sub-working groups with their own leaders, deliverables. and own working spaces.  Can OASIS setup that kind of structure?  I want the working groups to be focused on what they are trying to do.  For example I could see a structure like:
 
STIX - Sean and ????? (maybe Joep or?? )
            STIX 1.x - Someone from MITRE and Aharon
            STIX 2.x - ???????????
 
Given the community that Aharon already supports and needs to support, it is really important that he be involved in the STIX 1.x work.  That is not to say that he is not also highly involved or a co-chair of STIX 2.x, but I feel he really needs to make sure that STIX 1.x does what it should.  
 
In my mind it is also very important that chairs of working groups and sub-working groups have the time to actually spend on it.  We have way too much work to do to have partially committed leadership. 

 

Thanks,
 
Bret
 
 
 
Bret Jordan CISSP
Director of Security Architecture and Standards | Office of the CTO
Blue Coat Systems
PGP Fingerprint: 62A6 5999 0F7D 0D61 4C66 D59C 2DB5 111D 63BC A303
"Without cryptography vihv vivc ce xhrnrw, however, the only thing that can not be unscrambled is an egg." 
 
On Jun 18, 2015, at 13:42, Barnum, Sean D. <sbarnum@mitre.org> wrote:
 
So, the typical way of doing this would be to have a single STIX SC with multiple work product efforts (e.g. STIX 1.x & STIX 2.0) underway with different editors and contributors.
This provides the coordination and communication Aharon describes as well as the separate focus that Bret, et al, describe.
This is true of almost all SDOs and I think still meets the objectives you are all conveying here.
 
sean
 
From: Joep Gommers <joep@intelworks.com>
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 3:33 PM
To: "Jordan, Bret" <bret.jordan@bluecoat.com>, Aharon Chernin <achernin@soltra.com>
Cc: "tony@yaanatech.com" <tony@yaanatech.com>, "mona.magathan@usbank.com" <mona.magathan@usbank.com>, "cti@lists.oasis-open.org" <cti@lists.oasis-open.org>
Subject: Re: [cti] STIX Subcommittee Nomination
 
I can also see some advantage with regards to focus. Separate work stream with separate cadence, leadership expertise, etc might be helpful. J-
 
From: "Jordan, Bret" <bret.jordan@bluecoat.com>
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 9:26 PM
To: Aharon Chernin <achernin@soltra.com>
Cc: "tony@yaanatech.com" <tony@yaanatech.com>, "mona.magathan@usbank.com" <mona.magathan@usbank.com>, "cti@lists.oasis-open.org" <cti@lists.oasis-open.org>
Subject: Re: [cti] STIX Subcommittee Nomination
 
The same people may be on both subcommittees.  By breaking them up this allows each subcommittee to focus on different things.  There are some people that will not care about STIX 1.3 and some that will not care about STIX 2.0

 

Thanks,
 
Bret
 
 
 
Bret Jordan CISSP
Director of Security Architecture and Standards | Office of the CTO
Blue Coat Systems
PGP Fingerprint: 62A6 5999 0F7D 0D61 4C66 D59C 2DB5 111D 63BC A303
"Without cryptography vihv vivc ce xhrnrw, however, the only thing that can not be unscrambled is an egg." 
 
On Jun 18, 2015, at 13:23, Aharon Chernin <achernin@soltra.com> wrote:
 
I think a single STIX committee will ensure good communication between the folks working STIX 1.x and STIX 2.x. This may also improve interoperability between the two major releases.
 
Aharon Chernin
CTO
SOLTRA | An FS-ISAC & DTCC Company
18301 Bermuda green Dr
Tampa, fl 33647
813.470.2173 | achernin@soltra.com

From: cti@lists.oasis-open.org <cti@lists.oasis-open.org> on behalf of Jordan, Bret <bret.jordan@bluecoat.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 3:20 PM
To: tony@yaanatech.com
Cc: mona.magathan@usbank.com; cti@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [cti] STIX Subcommittee Nomination
 
I am against the idea of creating a single STIX working group.  STIX 1.3 and STIX 2.0 are two totally different animals and we do not want to bog one down to work on the other.     
 
I could see Aharon and Sean co-Chairing the STIX 1.3 sub committee.  I would be good with that.  

 

Thanks,
 
Bret
 
 
 
Bret Jordan CISSP
Director of Security Architecture and Standards | Office of the CTO
Blue Coat Systems
PGP Fingerprint: 62A6 5999 0F7D 0D61 4C66 D59C 2DB5 111D 63BC A303
"Without cryptography vihv vivc ce xhrnrw, however, the only thing that can not be unscrambled is an egg." 
 
On Jun 18, 2015, at 13:10, Tony Rutkowski <tony@yaanatech.com> wrote:
 

Yaana seconds the proposal

On 2015-06-18 3:08 PM, mona.magathan@usbank.com wrote:
Hi All, 

I am submitting a proposal to create a STIX subcommittee and nominate Aharon Chernin & Sean Barnum as co-chairs 

The STIX subcommittee will maintain and steer the future direction of the Structured Threat Information _expression_ language. 


Deliverables: 
  • Create a roadmap for STIX 1.x
  • Maintain and enhance STIX 1.x as necessary
  • Create a roadmap for STIX 2.x
  • Design and create STIX 2.x 
  • STIX Documentation
  •  
Regards, 

Mona Magathan 
Information Security Services   
U.S. Bank 
(206) 225.7519

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