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Subject: Re: [cti] CTI TC Adoption and Interoperability SCs

Yes, and I would love to see a SC setup to address this.  We need people that can focus on this and drive it to completion, if it stays at the TC level, it will get lost just like before.  

I am not a fan of massive unit tests, for all the reasons Eric points out, and I do not think we need a formal testing body like the WiFi Alliance (maybe in 10 years).  But I would like to know things like: 

Say for TAXII
1) Support Inbox Services?
2) Support Query?
3) Support Delete Requests?
4) Support Push Services?
5) Support Data Feeds?
6) Support Data Collections?
7) Support Subscriptions?
8) Support Authentication and if so what kinds?
etc etc

1) It would be things like how much of each Idiom do they support?  
2) Do they support data handling / data marking?
3) Do they support source integrity? 
4) Support profiles?
etc etc

In my mind, the SC would come up with a list of things that people would do to self certify their implementations / products.  They would also come up with a way to track / publish who is doing what.  Kind of like what Interworks has done on their meta-server about taxii servers.



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On Jul 6, 2015, at 14:09, Struse, Richard <Richard.Struse@HQ.DHS.GOV> wrote:

I think we are actually in agreement.  I'm not advocating heavyweight "suites" of exhaustive tests but I do think we will benefit from a shared understanding of the basic outlines of what it means to be interoperable.  Definitely a question that the SC would need to tackle.

-----Original Message-----
From: cti@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:cti@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Eric Burger
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 3:47 PM
To: cti@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [cti] CTI TC Adoption and Interoperability SCs

Believe it or not, I would shy away from any measurements short of what we say someone needs to do to meet a profile, which is the profile definition itself.

Likewise, I would shy away from test or verification suites. The industry’s experience with standards with elaborate verification suites has been the protocols fail because it takes ages to build the verification suites, they are obsolete when published, which ossifies the underlying specification.

In a decade after everyone is using STIX and TAXII, we can think about formal acceptance suites.

If the specifications are so obfuscated we need specifications to specify what the specifications specify, we have failed.

On Jul 6, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Struse, Richard <Richard.Struse@hq.dhs.gov> wrote:

Makes sense.

If we (the CTI TC) focus on defining what interoperability means for
STIX/TAXII/CybOX and how to measure/verify it, that leaves the door open for
third-party organizations such as testing labs to conduct interoperability
tests using the CTI TC-defined benchmarks.

-----Original Message-----
From: cti@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:cti@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf
Of Eric Burger
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 3:18 PM
To: cti@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [cti] CTI TC Adoption and Interoperability SCs

When I was Chair of the SPEECHSC IETF Work Group (speech server control), we
setup a self-reported interoperability matrix:

Same for LEMONADE (mobile messaging):

The idea is OASIS will *not* become the protocol police. That is too
expensive and carries unlimited liability. What a self-reporting resource
does do is (1) advertise who is running with the standards and (2) who has
tested against whom. That is not a guarantee of interoperability, but it is
lightyears ahead of publishing and praying.

On Jul 6, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Tony Rutkowski <tony@yaanatech.com> wrote:

It would be useful if CTI maintained the equivalent of
the MILE Implementation Report ID just announced below.

Additionally, in a world of dramatic scaling of cloud data
center virtualization, especially NFV, instantiating a CTI
dedicated focus on the subject is important.




MILE C. Inacio
Internet-Draft CMU
Intended status: Informational                               D. Miyamoto
Expires: January 6, 2016                                          UTokyo
July 5, 2015

                    MILE Implementation Report


This document is a collection of implementation reports from vendors,
consortiums, and researchers who have implemented one or more of the
standards published from the IETF INCident Handling (INCH) and
Management Incident Lightweight Exchange (MILE) working groups.

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