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Subject: Re: [cti] RE: [Non-DoD Source] [cti] RE: New Mini-Working Groups (UNCLASSIFIED)


This could be one potential approach to the question of historical transparency but we should note that it does not address the issue of collaborative participation.
If you can’t use Slack you still cannot participate directly.

I think there are several questions involved here:
  1. Historical transparency (can everyone always see everything that was discussed?)
  2. Ubiquitous access for direct collaboration (can TC members access Slack to actively participate in discussions that are occurring?)
  3. Ease of use (can people keep up with the single threaded tempo in Slack?; can people easily track and contribute to sub-threads within channels especially when doing periodic asynchronous review of posts?)

I would say finding answers to #1 and #2 above are absolutely required for us to use this technology within OASIS.
I also think that #3 is very important though maybe not a hard OASIS requirement. I’m not sure there is a way to solve #3 for Slack as it is integral to its design. To solve #3 I think would require a different collaboration platform.

sean

From: <cti@lists.oasis-open.org> on behalf of Jason Keirstead <Jason.Keirstead@ca.ibm.com>
Date: Friday, March 11, 2016 at 10:37 AM
To: "Bohling, James T CIV JS J6 (US)" <james.t.bohling.civ@mail.mil>
Cc: "Casey, Eoghan CIV DC3/DCCI" <Eoghan.Casey@dc3.mil>, "'Jordan, Bret'" <bret.jordan@bluecoat.com>, "cti@lists.oasis-open.org" <cti@lists.oasis-open.org>
Subject: Re: [cti] RE: [Non-DoD Source] [cti] RE: New Mini-Working Groups (UNCLASSIFIED)

I just want to raise that we have a pseudo-technical solution previously proposed to the Slack "problem". I wrote proof of concept code that took every slack chat and logged it for posterity as plain text (for example see http://ctilogger.mybluemix.net/logs/stix).

This code could very easily post a daily digest to this (or any other) mailing list, or it could upload the log to the CTI oasis files section, or do something else with it. However, I could never get anyone to pursue this or tell me what to do with the logs, or anyone to be able to commit to run the code in a production capacity - so the code was abandoned. It is still working but I would not call it "production reliable".

If we can just get consensus on where the slack logs should be posted for the members, and who/how to fund/run this, this is easily solvable.

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Jason Keirstead
STSM, Product Architect, Security Intelligence, IBM Security Systems
www.ibm.com/security | www.securityintelligence.com

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From: "Bohling, James T CIV JS J6 (US)" <james.t.bohling.civ@mail.mil>
To: "Casey, Eoghan CIV DC3/DCCI" <Eoghan.Casey@dc3.mil>, "'Jordan, Bret'" <bret.jordan@bluecoat.com>, "cti@lists.oasis-open.org" <cti@lists.oasis-open.org>
Date: 03/11/2016 10:36 AM
Subject: [cti] RE: [Non-DoD Source] [cti] RE: New Mini-Working Groups (UNCLASSIFIED)
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+1 Slack and quick (hasty) changes.

- James

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Bret,

I believe that these efforts to make quick changes risks making hasty changes that are not adequately considered and that we will later regret.

Furthermore, these mini-working groups break the transparency that was expected when moving to OASIS. Frankly, I am surprised that OASIS is permitting the use of Slack - how do those discussion get tracked within OASIS systems? Currently, my organization does not permit access to Slack so we do not have a way to see those discussion, never mind contribute.

Until these questions are resolved, I recommend against these mini-working groups or further breakout discussions on Slack.

Eoghan

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From: cti@lists.oasis-open.org [Caution-mailto:cti@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Jordan, Bret
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 11:14 PM
To: cti@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [cti] New Mini-Working Groups

All,

We have kicked off a few mini-working groups to address some key issues, they are as follows:

1) Patterning: Allan, John-Mark, Jason, and Ivan are heading up this discussion.  Anyone can join in on Slack at #patterning or on email.  The due date for this proposal is Tuesday March 22nd.  

2) Versioning: Looking for 3-4 people to lead this work.  Anyone can join in on Slack at #versioning or on email.  The due date for this proposal is Tuesday March 22nd

3) Sightings: Looking for 3-4 people to lead this work.  Anyone can join on Slack at #sightings or on email.  This due date for this proposal is Tuesday March 22nd.

In general we will try and run 3-4 mini-working groups at a time, each with a 2 week delivery window.  You can think of it as a sprint in development terms. If you want to be involved early on in the proposal phase, PLEASE make it known.

Further, we hope to get leadership setup for Versioning and Sightings tomorrow.  If any of you are interested in helping to lead either one of these, please let us know.  (btw, we are looking for 3-4 leaders for each topic).  They will be responsible for driving the discussion, gathering feedback from everyone, writing up proposed normative text, and then presenting their proposal on a CTI wide working call.    


Thanks,

Bret



Bret Jordan CISSP
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