Re: [cti] RE: i18n (RE: MVP Discussion)

["Jason Keirstead" <Jason.Keirstead@ca.ibm.com>]

I think what Ryusuke is pointing out is that having a translation point to a specific revision does not solve his use case, which is a common one when i18n'ing software - as I know first hand, translation en-masse is very expensive and therefore you do not want to re-translate the same text multiple times. If you have the same title text used in 100 objects, you would want to only translate that text once and reference it 100 times.

This is what he is asking for - a way to tie the translation not to an object version, or even an object instance - but to the text property itself.

See Java resource bundles, or Gettext PO files, for example. His ask is for the equivalent to resource bundles and keys for STIX.

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Jason Keirstead
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John-Mark Gurney ---04/12/2016 01:25:16 PM---Masuoka, Ryusuke wrote this message on Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:05 +0000: > Thank you for your sugges

From: John-Mark Gurney <jmg@newcontext.com>
To: "Masuoka, Ryusuke" <masuoka.ryusuke@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: "Jordan, Bret" <bret.jordan@bluecoat.com>, "cti@lists.oasis-open.org" <cti@lists.oasis-open.org>
Date: 04/12/2016 01:25 PM
Subject: Re: [cti] RE: i18n (RE: MVP Discussion)
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Masuoka, Ryusuke wrote this message on Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:05 +0000:
> Thank you for your suggestion.
> I think it works and meets my needs.
> 
> One thing I am afraid of is that it might be brittle against versioning.
> It refers to an object and it is not useful once the object gets updated
> even if the object uses the same texts.

This is why the translation should point to a specific revision of the
object...  See minor modification below...

I believe I addressed this in my example that I sent a while back...

> From: cti@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:cti@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Jordan, Bret
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 7:09 AM
> To: Masuoka, Ryusuke/益岡 竜介
> Cc: cti@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: [cti] Re: i18n (RE: MVP Discussion)
> 
> Ryu,
> 
> From your example #1, it would probably need to look something like this.  This would enable a tool to:
> a) translate any text, not just certain fields
> b) allow you or anyone else to create a translation at any point in time.
> 
> Please let me know if this would not meet your needs... In reading through your use-cases, which are good BTW, I believe this would address all of your points.
> 
> 
> 
> {
>   "type": "package",
>   ...
>   "campaigns": [
>     {
>       "type": "campaign",
>       "id": "campaign--a1201df6-c352-4a81-9c7c-5a6f896a4e31",
>       "lang": "en",
        "revision": 1,
>       "spec_version": "stix-2.0",
>       "created_at": "2015-12-03T13:13Z",
>       "created_by_ref": "identity--69a17e1b-bb45-4657-9a9d-96db3faccdde",
>       "title": "Dridex Campaign - Botnet 121",
>       "descriptions": "Dridex-based campaign leveraging Botnet 121",
>       "intended_effects": [
>         {"value": "theft-identity-theft"}
>       ],
>       "status": "Ongoing"
>    }
>   ],
>   "translations": [
>     {
>       "type": "translation",
>       "id": "translation--a1201df6-c352-4a81-9c7c-5a6f896a1111",
>       "lang": "jp",
>       "spec_version": "stix-2.0",
>       "created_at": "2015-12-03T13:13Z",
>       "created_by_ref": "identity--69a17e1b-bb45-4657-9a9d-96db3faccdde",
        "translated_ref": [ "campaign--a1201df6-c352-4a81-9c7c-5a6f896a4e31", 1 ],
>       "translated_text": [
>         "title": "Dridex キャンペーン - ボットネット 121",
>         "description": "ボットネット 121 を活用する Dridex を元にしたキャンペーン"
>       ]
>     },
>     {
>       "type": "translation",
>       "id": "translation--a1201df6-c352-4a81-9c7c-5a6f896a2222",
>       "lang": "de",
>       "spec_version": "stix-2.0",
>       "created_at": "2015-12-03T13:13Z",
>       "created_by_ref": "identity--69a17e1b-bb45-4657-9a9d-96db3faccdde",
        "translated_ref": [ "campaign--a1201df6-c352-4a81-9c7c-5a6f896a4e31", 1 ],
>       "translated_text": [
>         "title": "Some German Title",
>         "description": "Some German Description"
>       ]
>     }
> 
>   ]
>   ...
> }

-- 
John-Mark

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