This drives to the point of my question. It sounds like he wants to announce in January that theyâll be working towards getting STIX/TAXII into ITU in the summer. Yet it requires that STIX/TAXII be full Oasis standards in order to do that,
and they currently arenât. Is it even possible for us (timing-wise) to meet that deadline? Given the pace at which things move in the TC, my concern is that we would say âYes of course!â and then fail to meet the deadline by not getting them into full Oasis
Standards by the ITU deadline.
Thanks,
Sarah Kelley
Lead Cybersecurity Engineer, T8B2
Defensive Operations
The MITRE Corporation
703-983-6242
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Subject: Re: [cti] Submission of STIX/TAXII to ITU-T? Plan for reply
Oh and also, that is not an ITU requirement, it is our own OASIS policy.
On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 1:25 PM Jason Keirstead <Jason.Keirstead@ca.ibm.com> wrote:
I agree with Allan..
Furthermore, I believe that if it requires for 2.0 to be a full OASIS standard - that perhaps we should go down that path.
IE - roadblocking this on 2.1 and that yet-to-be-determined timeframe, is not IMO a good idea whatsoever.
Can we get clarity on what level of specification ITU requires - CSD, CS, COS, OASIS Standard?
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Jason Keirstead
Lead Architect - IBM Security Connect
www.ibm.com/security
"Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle." - Unknown
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Subject: Re: [cti] Submission of STIX/TAXII to ITU-T? Plan for reply
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Regardless of when STIX2 becomes a full approved standard I think OASIS guidance to ITU-T should be that they should not standardize a standard (version1) that is already being replaced for good reason.
I think it makes ITU-T look foolish and disconnected. But if they want to do that then go ahead. Its just an opinion.
Allan Thomson
CTO (+1-408-331-6646)
LookingGlass Cyber Solutions
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Subject: RE: [cti] Submission of STIX/TAXII to ITU-T? Plan for reply
If we would prefer to use STIX/TAXII 2, does this require that some form of STIX 2 and TAXII 2 be a full Oasis standard before next summer? Am I reading that correctly?
Sarah Kelley
Lead Cybersecurity Engineer, T8B2
Defensive Operations
The MITRE Corporation
703-983-6242
skelley@mitre.org
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Subject: Re: [cti] Submission of STIX/TAXII to ITU-T? Plan for reply
The importance of making sure VERSION 2 is the version to considered as the primary standard for CTI sharing cannot be understated.
The market already does not understand the important and significant differences between v1 and v2.
I strongly suggest that OASIS make sure the ITU-T does everything it can to adopt version 2 not 1.
Allan Thomson
CTO (+1-408-331-6646)
LookingGlass Cyber Solutions
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Subject: [cti] Submission of STIX/TAXII to ITU-T? Plan for reply
Dear members of the CTI TC:
After consultation with your chairs, they asked us to share this (attached) communication from ITU-T's Study Group 17 (on cybersecurity), inquiring about a contribution of STIX and TAXII for their endorsement and approval.
BACKGROUND. OASIS has contributed many standards to global de jure standards bodies like ITU-T, including a number successfully approved by ITU's SG17. [1] The ground rules for doing so can be found in the OASIS liaison policy [2]. There are several process requirements, which include OASIS Standard status, and an approval vote from the originating TC.
Staff's view is that submission is appropriate and expected to be successful. OASISsubmissions to the study group occur with the condition that, whilecomments are welcome, only the final approved version of the OASIS submission can beconsidered ... in other words, the ITUpanel would not have the right to make changes as part of its approval process.
CONSIDERATIONS FOR THIS SUBMISSION. Your Versions 1 of STIX and TAXII of have become OASIS Standards, as you know. Your work on bringing your Versions 2 to that status is ongoing. Our understanding with your leadership was that, while the Versions 1 are not officially deprecated, your TC wishes to encourage implementation of the newer (and differently scheme-ad) Vesrions 2; so a promotion of Versions 1 to international standard status at this time might not achieve your goals. We have been advised that you likely would wish to submit both STIX and TAXII together, and wait until both versions are eligible (as an OS) before submitting. The schedule of SG17 essentially uses live meetings once every six months, so this would probably result in a mid-2019 submission,assuming you support it.
RECOMMENDATION. If we are correct that your preference is to submit Versions2.X, then we suggest that OASIS reply to this inquiry now, with a polite and encouraging indication that the TC expects to submit the completed version to ITU as soon as they're available, within a few months. That would allow us to provide a positive statement as feedback to the January 2019 meeting, for which planning is now underway.
ACTION REQUESTED. Would you please let us (and the TC) know if there's any objection to that approach? We'll plan to send the "version 2 coming soon" message, as described above, which requires no TC vote, if we hear no objections.
If on the other hand, there is TC sentiment to send completed Versions 1 to ITU for consideration for promotion and republication as "ITU-T Recommendations" (their version of international standards), then please advise your TC leadershipand my colleague Chet Ensign, as that could be done by a web ballot TC vote at any time and a short public notice to the membership.
Please feel free to contact Chet or me if you have any questions.
Kind regards
Jamie
[1] Including SAML, XACML and CAP (an emergency services resources info protocol).
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