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Subject: Re: [dita-adoption] Website improvement


Hi Doug,

That is a nice observation :-)  As I stated, my contribution was not a  
personal attack on anyone, nor was it meant to keep anyone from trying  
to improve things. If there are enough people available who have time  
to work on improvements that can be made quickly, there is no problem  
with that at all. I might even make some useful suggestions myself  
along the way. And I will certainly keep working on that laser :-)

Good luck on those sprints.

Jang


On 28 okt 2010, at 16:35, Doug Morrison wrote:

> I agree that the laser would never be developed by step-by-step  
> improvements of  the candle. As Su-Laine said, some of these  
> problems require deep thinking and some don't. While we wait for you  
> to develop the laser I think it is better to light a candle than  
> curse the darkness.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Doug Morrison
> Information Architect
> http://dita4all.com
>
>
> On 26/10/2010 16:06, jang@jang.nl wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I've seen Doug's proposal to improve the website via a Tiger Team,  
>> and the follow-up suggestions of using an Agile approach. That is  
>> where my initial enthusiasm was flushed down the drain immediately.  
>> Having 2-week sprints in which to do some work and then see what is  
>> next is not my idea of thoroughly redefining and improving the  
>> website. I would really like to see some profound discussions  
>> first, and these take time for at least 2 different reasons. First  
>> of all you need time to really think about stuff before reaching a  
>> conclusion that will survive longer than next year's fashion. And  
>> given the limited amount of free - volunteering - time everyone  
>> has, as all of us have jobs to do to stay alive, 2 weeks is nothing.
>>
>> IMHO, Agile approaches to profound discussions are doomed from the  
>> start. Agile may work in an environment where you actually get paid  
>> for your work and have to achieve very quick results. Agile is  
>> really just a fancy word for what was once called the skunk works.  
>> Improving the DITA appearance on the web is NOT an area where that  
>> will bring much, if you ask me.
>>
>> I would be willing (and I think I would also be capable) to start  
>> discussions on redefining the face of DITA on the web by writing a  
>> discussion paper, but I will not be forced into fifth gear on this.  
>> 2-week sprints are impossible if you're already on a 4-month sprint  
>> to get your paid work done. Frankly, DITA is not my top priority,  
>> and I assume that is the same for many of us. Top priority is  
>> making a living, and the market has not adopted DITA enough to live  
>> off it, yet. Unfortunately.
>>
>> We need to find a method to reach the best possible result given  
>> the circumstances. An Agile Tiger Team is bound to go for half- 
>> hearted goals and probably fail at many of them. This is not to say  
>> that we do not have good people available, so nobody should take  
>> this personally. It explains why I would want to set a much higher  
>> goal for DITA adoption efforts, while at the same time being a lot  
>> more lenient on the timeframes involved.
>>
>> With kind regards
>>
>> Jang F.M. Graat
>> Philosopher and relative newbie in the DITA world
>
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