dita-learningspec message

Subject: Groups - Event "Meeting - OASIS DITA Learning and Training sub-committee" modified

From: Scott Hudson<scott.hudson@schneider-electric.com>
To: dita-learningspec@lists.oasis-open.org
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:43:27 -0700 (PDT)

Event Title: Meeting - OASIS DITA Learning and Training sub-committee

Date: Thursday, 05 April 2012, 11:00am - 12:00pm ET
Description

US Toll Free 888-426-6840, participant code 8581755

Germany toll-free 0800-000-1018; Israel toll-free 1-809-417-783.

Contact John Hunt if you need additional numbers.

This meeting counts towards voter eligibility.

Agenda

Agenda -

Guests - Robert Anderson and Eric Sirois, to review technical implementation of the specialization modules.

Minutes

Version:1.0 StartHTML:0000000149 EndHTML:0000003853 StartFragment:0000000199 EndFragment:0000003819 StartSelection:0000000199 EndSelection:0000003819 DITA Learning 5 APR 2012 Minutes

Attendees:
Eric Sirois
John Hunt
Scott Hudson
Troy Klukewich
Hal Trent
Robert Anderson
Amber Swope
Mark Myers

Minutes:
John provided a brief summary of the proposals for Eric and Robert.

Essentially will be adding 26 new elements to the standard with this proposal.

Robert: may be worth re-defining the original specification to be specialized off of div rather than fig. This may only be an impact to fallback processing and tools with existing rendering that maps to the full class hierarchy values, rather than the single specialized class. May also be an impact if the original document embeds these values as well (not recommended anyways).

Need to specifically call out this as a change/new feature in the specification.

Need to have the DTDs modified to call the appropriate modules/domains for the new div basis.

Default processing should still work, but any custom processing may have to be reworked by the implementors.

John: may have an issue with existing title. lcInteractionLabel is proposed to replace it.
Robert: that would be a problem. Might want to bring this issue up to the TC to see if there are any other ideas/options. Not sure the TC will be thrilled to add 26 new/duplicated elements, but can’t break backwards compatibility either.

Perhaps would be better to adjust naming so it’s not just adding number2, but have something like div. Wouldn’t need to duplicate any elements where the locations are the same (If they were based on p, for example).

As far as kosher-ness of Eliot’s proposal, Robert would still like to discuss further with Eliot.

May be able to put a “temporary bridge” out on sourceforge (similar to way that Publishers was done), where the specialization is made available and would require people to migrate title to lcInteractionLabel.

It might work better to have this delivered as a separate spec (isolated) from the main spec, then it could break backwards compatibility.

Hal: the more we get into it, we are finding that the existing spec is lacking quite a bit. We ran into issues with styling b/c of fallback processing of fig. Because there are some known differences in the way it’s been implemented (not everything works in Moodle), would it be bad to break the backwards compatibility?

Robert: if we can split this off, we wouldn’t need to call it Learning and Training 1.3, but could call it 2.0 to really mark this as a separate specialization.

Amber: how would we differentiate the needs for the different use cases? Do we come up with something different the way Task was redefined by Machine Industry?

Hunt: we need to be positioned with a flexible enough model to allow future specializations by specific companies (using this standard as the base, but giving them the starting point to do their own specializations). Still want to attain the “Starter Kit” approach.

Scott: what about Simplified DITA? Do we need to make our proposal compatible?
Robert: Simplified is a separate, highly constrained DTD, so will not need to make compatible. This proposal would be targeted for compatibility with full DITA.

ACTION: John to communicate to Don and Kristen about how we should approach this specialization and what to do about the title situation.

Owner: John Hunt
Group: DITA Learning and Training Content Specialization SC
Sharing: This event is shared with the OASIS Open (General Membership), General Public, and OASIS Darwin Information Typing Architecture (DITA) TC groups. Public Event Link

BEGIN:VCALENDAR
CALSCALE:GREGORIAN
METHOD:PUBLISH
VERSION:2.0
PRODID:-//Kavi Corporation//NONSGML Kavi Groups//EN
X-MS-OLK-FORCEINSPECTOROPEN:TRUE
BEGIN:VTIMEZONE
TZID:America/New_York
BEGIN:STANDARD
DTSTART:20001029T020000
RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=-1SU;BYMONTH=10;UNTIL=20061029T060000Z
TZNAME:EST
TZOFFSETFROM:-0400
TZOFFSETTO:-0500
END:STANDARD
BEGIN:STANDARD
DTSTART:20071104T020000
RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=1SU;BYMONTH=11
TZNAME:EST
TZOFFSETFROM:-0400
TZOFFSETTO:-0500
END:STANDARD
BEGIN:DAYLIGHT
DTSTART:20000402T020000
RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=1SU;BYMONTH=4;UNTIL=20060402T070000Z
TZNAME:EDT
TZOFFSETFROM:-0500
TZOFFSETTO:-0400
END:DAYLIGHT
BEGIN:DAYLIGHT
DTSTART:20070311T020000
RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=2SU;BYMONTH=3
TZNAME:EDT
TZOFFSETFROM:-0500
TZOFFSETTO:-0400
END:DAYLIGHT
END:VTIMEZONE
BEGIN:VEVENT
CATEGORIES:MEETING
STATUS:CONFIRMED
TRANSP:OPAQUE
DTSTAMP:20120405T000000Z
DTSTART;VALUE=DATE-TIME;TZID=America/New_York:20120405T110000
DTEND;VALUE=DATE-TIME;TZID=America/New_York:20120405T120000
SEQUENCE:6
SUMMARY:Meeting - OASIS DITA Learning and Training sub-committee
DESCRIPTION:US Toll Free 888-426-6840\, participant code
  8581755\nGermany toll-free 0800-000-1018\; Israel toll-free
  1-809-417-783.\nContact John Hunt if you need additional
  numbers.\n\nAgenda: Agenda -\n\n   
  http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita-learningspec/download.php/45630/proposal-13106-learning-new-interaction.html.\n
    
  http://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/LearningContent/lcQuestion\n
    
  ../../../../apps/org/workgroup/dita-learningspec/email/archives/201203/msg00005.html\n
    
  ../../../../apps/org/workgroup/dita-learningspec/email/archives/201203/msg00004.html\n\nGuests
  - Robert Anderson and Eric Sirois\, to review technical
  implementation of the specialization modules.\nGroup: DITA
  Learning and Training Content Specialization SC\nCreator:
  John Hunt
URL:http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita-learningspec/event.php?event_id=32951
UID:http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita-learningspec/event.php?event_id=32951
BEGIN:VALARM
ACTION:DISPLAY
DESCRIPTION:REMINDER
TRIGGER;RELATED=START:-PT00H15M00S
END:VALARM
END:VEVENT
END:VCALENDAR