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Subject: RE: [dita-learningspec] Groups - HTML for the DITA 1.3 stage 3 proposal 13089 - learningObjectMap and learningGroupMap uploaded
Hi Amber, As Eliot says, I’m not sure this is a learningObject in the strict, Cisco sense of the term. I’d like to hear some instructional designers weigh in… In one of my previous jobs, in post-secondary distance education, our internal DTD contained an ‘assessment object’. That what comes to mind for me here. Note that this
can be represented in the learningGroupMap DTD. The following is valid: <!DOCTYPE learningGroupMap PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DITA Learning Group Map//EN" "learningGroupMap.dtd"> <learningGroupMap
xmlns:ditaarch="http://dita.oasis-open.org/architecture/2005/">
<title>Quiz</title>
<learningGroup>
<learningPostAssessmentRef
href="ques1"/> <learningPostAssessmentRef
href="">"ques2"/> <learningPostAssessmentRef
href="">"ques3"/> </learningGroup> </learningGroupMap> Cheers, Doug ======================================= Doug Burgess Production Platform Management and Operations Knowledge Productization Services, SAP Canada Work: 604-974-2334 Mobile: 778-840-8004 Vancouver BC Canada -----Original Message----- I represent the ad-hoc use of assessments by creating new document type shells that simply integrate the learningDomain into whatever topic type I want--I don't for the most part use the learning-specific map or topic types at all. But I think your analysis is not quite right: learningContentRef is required, but adding a post-assessment ref would not (could not) cause learningOverviewRef to be required. It would require a learningContentRef. What is your specific requirement? Are you just creating an ad-hoc test? In that case I would argue that it's not a learning object, at least in the sense I understand learning object (learning content plus supporting material). A standalone assessment would be a separate thing, I think. But I'm also not an instructional designer.... Cheers, E. From: dita-learningspec@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:dita-learningspec@lists.oasis-open.org]
On Behalf Of Amber Swope Mark, I’ve reviewed your documents and thought that you had proposed to also relax the structure of the <learningObject> element, but I didn’t see that in your proposal.
Specifically, I need to create a collection of questions in a separate learning map and cannot do this cleanly with the current map definition because <learningObject> requires additional elements. If I use <learningPostAssessment>, then I have to include
empty <learningOverviewRef> or <learningPreAssessmentRef> and <learningContentRef>. Or I have to use a regular DITA map and forego using the <lom> elements… I’m curious if anyone else has run into this and if so, how did you solve it?
The implications of relaxing the <learningObject> would be: ·
Doesn’t support instructional design best practices for unit ·
Allows flexible reusable units for creating assessment units Eventually, I’d like to see some better assessment support, but that’s not happening in DITA 1.3. Thanks, Amber From: dita-learningspec@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:dita-learningspec@lists.oasis-open.org]
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