RE: [dita-learningspec] Groups - HTML for the DITA 1.3 stage 3 proposal 13089 - learningObjectMap and learningGroupMap uploaded

[john_hunt@us.ibm.com]

Hi all -

Just catching up on this thread.

I, too, like the learningGroup solution
to Amber's problem. 

We had pretty strenuous discussions
about the structure for learningObject during the 1.2 cycle, and settled
on allowing everything to be optional, with the exception that a learningObject
must contain at least one learningContent topic. 

Of course, since we don't place the
restriction that a learningContentRef *must* point to a learningContent
topic, you *could* use a learningObject with learningContentRef's to learningAssessment
topics. In that sense, the entire content of the object are the assessments.

But I like the learningGroup approach
better. For one, I could imagine using a learningGroup as a logical collection
point for pulling together items from learningAssessment topics included
in one or more learningObjects, into a combined test.

To be honest, we didn't really consider
the case of focusing exclusively on collecting assessment items together
into a test. I could potentially see an additional learning map domain
extension for assessment sections and tests. 

John

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John P. Hunt
Chair, OASIS DITA Learning and Training
Content Sub-committee
Senior Technical Content Architect 
IBM Collaboration Solutions | User Experience: Design and Information Excellence
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john_hunt@us.ibm.com



From:      
 "Amber Swope"
<amber@ditastrategies.com>
To:      
 "'Burgess, Doug'"
<doug.burgess@sap.com>, <dita-learningspec@lists.oasis-open.org>
Cc:      
 "'Myers, Mark'"
<mark.myers@sap.com>, "'Eliot Kimber'" <ekimber@rsicms.com>
Date:      
 03/25/2013 11:19 AM
Subject:    
   RE: [dita-learningspec]
Groups - HTML for the DITA 1.3 stage 3 proposal 13089 - learningObjectMap
and learningGroupMap uploaded
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Thanks for the thoughts.
 
I agree that it’s not a
learning object, but I need to organize the learning material and want
to take advantage of the specialized references. I like the learningGroupMap
solution because it seems more “true” to instructional design because
a quiz really isn’t a true learning object.
 
Again, many thanks for the
feedback.
Have a great day,
 
Amber Swope
dita specialist
<dita strategies>
503.922.3038
amber@ditastrategies.com
 
 
 
From: Burgess, Doug [mailto:doug.burgess@sap.com]
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 7:40 AM
To: dita-learningspec@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc: amber@ditastrategies.com; Myers, Mark; Eliot Kimber
Subject: RE: [dita-learningspec] Groups - HTML for the DITA 1.3 stage
3 proposal 13089 - learningObjectMap and learningGroupMap uploaded
 
Hi Amber,
 
As Eliot says, I’m not sure
this is a learningObject in the strict, Cisco sense of the term. I’d like
to hear some instructional designers weigh in…
 
In one of my previous jobs,
in post-secondary distance education, our internal DTD contained an ‘assessment
object’. That what comes to mind for me here.
 
Note that this can
be represented in the learningGroupMap DTD. The following is valid:
 
<!DOCTYPE learningGroupMap
PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DITA Learning Group Map//EN" "learningGroupMap.dtd">
<learningGroupMap xmlns:ditaarch="http://dita.oasis-open.org/architecture/2005/">
    <title>Quiz</title>
    <learningGroup>
       
<learningPostAssessmentRef
href="ques1"/>
       
<learningPostAssessmentRef

href="">"ques2"/>
        <learningPostAssessmentRef href="">"ques3"/>
    </learningGroup>
</learningGroupMap>
 
 
Cheers,
Doug
 
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Production Platform Management and Operations
Knowledge Productization Services, SAP Canada
doug.burgess@sap.com
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From: dita-learningspec@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:dita-learningspec@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Eliot Kimber
Sent: March-25-13 6:32 AM
To: amber@ditastrategies.com; Myers, Mark; dita-learningspec@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [dita-learningspec] Groups - HTML for the DITA 1.3 stage 3 proposal 13089 - learningObjectMap and learningGroupMap uploaded
 
I represent the ad-hoc use of assessments by creating new document type
shells that simply integrate the learningDomain into whatever topic type I
want--I don't for the most part use the learning-specific map or topic types
at all.
 
But I think your analysis is not quite right: learningContentRef is
required, but adding a post-assessment ref would not (could not) cause
learningOverviewRef to be required. It would require a learningContentRef.
 
What is your specific requirement? Are you just creating an ad-hoc test? In
that case I would argue that it's not a learning object, at least in the
sense I understand learning object (learning content plus supporting
material).
 
A standalone assessment would be a separate thing, I think. But I'm also not
an instructional designer....
 
Cheers,
 
E.
 
 
 
From: dita-learningspec@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:dita-learningspec@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Amber Swope
Sent: March-24-13 5:53 PM
To: Myers, Mark; dita-learningspec@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [dita-learningspec] Groups - HTML for the DITA 1.3 stage 3 proposal 13089 - learningObjectMap and learningGroupMap uploaded
 
Mark,
I’ve reviewed your documents and thought that you had proposed to also relax the structure of the <learningObject> element, but I didn’t see that in your proposal. Specifically, I need to create a collection of questions in a separate learning map and cannot do this cleanly with the current map definition because <learningObject> requires additional elements. If I use <learningPostAssessment>, then I have to include empty <learningOverviewRef> or <learningPreAssessmentRef> and <learningContentRef>. Or I have to use a regular DITA map and forego using the <lom> elements…
 
I’m curious if anyone else has run into this and if so, how did you solve it?
 

DITA 1.2	Desired DITA 1.3
<!ENTITY % learningObject.content     "((%topicmeta;)?,       (%learningPlanRef;)?,       ((%learningOverviewRef;) |        (%learningPreAssessmentRef;))*,      (%learningContentRef;)+,       ((%learningPostAssessmentRef;) |        (%learningSummaryRef;))*)"	<!ENTITY % learningObject.content     "((%topicmeta;)?,       (%learningPlanRef;)?,       (%learningOverviewRef;)?,      (%learningPreAssessmentRef;)?,      (%learningContentRef;)?,       (%learningPostAssessmentRef;)?,       (%learningSummaryRef;))"
<map>  <title>Quiz</title>   <learningObject>    <learningOverviewRef/>    <learningContentRef/>    <learningPostAssessmentRef href="">"ques1"/>    <learningPostAssessmentRef href="">"ques2"/>    <learningPostAssessmentRef href="">"ques3"/>    <learningPostAssessmentRef href="">"ques4"/>    <learningPostAssessmentRef href="">"ques5"/>  </learningObject> </map>	<map>  <title>Quiz</title>   <learningObject>    <learningPostAssessmentRef href="">"ques1"/>    <learningPostAssessmentRef href="">"ques2"/>    <learningPostAssessmentRef href="">"ques3"/>    <learningPostAssessmentRef href="">"ques4"/>    <learningPostAssessmentRef href="">"ques5"/>  </learningObject> </map>

 
The implications of relaxing the <learningObject> would be:
·         Doesn’t support instructional design best practices for unit
·         Allows flexible reusable units for creating assessment units
 
Eventually, I’d like to see some better assessment support, but that’s not happening in DITA 1.3.
 
Thanks, Amber
 
 
From: dita-learningspec@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:dita-learningspec@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Mark Myers
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 6:42 AM
To: dita-learningspec@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [dita-learningspec] Groups - HTML for the DITA 1.3 stage 3 proposal 13089 - learningObjectMap and learningGroupMap uploaded
 
Submitter's message
Hi All,

Here is an HTML output of the DITA 1.3 stage 3 proposal 13089 - learningObjectMap and learningGroupMap. Please review and prepare to discuss at an upcoming Learning and Training Content Specialization SC meeting.

Regards,
Mark

-- Mr. Mark Myers

Document Name: HTML for the DITA 1.3 stage 3 proposal 13089 - learningObjectMap and learningGroupMap

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HTML for the DITA 1.3 stage 3 proposal 13089 - learningObjectMap and
learningGroupMap
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Submitter: Mr. Mark Myers
Group: DITA Learning and Training Content Specialization SC
Folder: working designs
Date submitted: 2013-03-08 06:41:42