Hi Rahel,
Sounds very interesting and I really would like you to have as tester.
Kind regards, Birgit
Van: Rahel Anne Bailie [mailto:rahel.bailie@gmail.com]
Verzonden: maandag 18 april 2016 21:56
Aan: John Hunt <john_hunt@us.ibm.com>
CC: Birgit Strackenbrock <birgit@xstructuring.eu>; dita-lightweight-dita@lists.oasis-open.org; Amber Swope <amber@ditastrategies.com>; Carlos Evia Puerto <cevia@vt.edu>; Eliot Kimber <ekimber@contrext.com>; Jan Benedictus <jan.benedictus@liones.nl>; Michael Priestley <mpriestl@ca.ibm.com>
Onderwerp: Re: [dita-lightweight-dita] Strawman structures for learning/training doctypes
I don't know if I can help with this, but I might be in a position to help:
- I create curricula for public training courses, where there is some overlap between courses.
- I have taught in multiple higher-education institutions, and created training materials for them
- I teach in a university (Master's Program in Content Strategy) so have created training materials for them
- The university is committed to open standards (they are the first university requiring their students to submit their Masters Thesis in epub format) and may be interested in getting on board with such a program
If any of this sounds useful as test fodder, let me know.
Rahel Bailie
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 2:51 PM, John Hunt <john_hunt@us.ibm.com> wrote:
Hi Birgit and LW DITA enthusiasts -
Getting back to this exchange on the LW DITA structures for educational content - sounds like we have general support for the initial proposal.
- Three learning topic types - overview, summary, assessment.
- Assessment items as topics, with three assessment topics - singleSelect, multipleSelect, and openQuestion.
- A learning map - with learning-specific metadata.
Questions at this point -
- Are we generally good with this as the base level of LW support needed for learning, training, and educational content?
- Has anyone developed or plan to develop schemas, based on the LW base? If not, who can we enlist in this effort?
- How will we treat these in relation to the core LW DITA structures?
See these related posts -
- Amber's working proposal - https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita-lightweight-dita/email/archives/201511/msg00018.html
- Michael's strawman summary of the topic types - https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita-lightweight-dita/email/archives/201512/msg00005.html
- John's summary and sample topics - https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita-lightweight-dita/email/archives/201601/msg00000.html
Birgit has also proposed some additional assessment types, as extensions to DITA 1.3. Is is correct to assume that we do not plan to add or support these with LW DITA?
Thanks.
John
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John Hunt
Member of OASIS Lightweight DITA sub-committee
Senior Technical Content Architect
IBM Collaboration Solutions
From: "Birgit Strackenbrock" <birgit@xstructuring.eu>
To: "'Eliot Kimber'" <ekimber@contrext.com>, John Hunt/Cambridge/IBM@Lotus
Cc: "'Amber Swope'" <amber@ditastrategies.com>, "'Carlos Evia Puerto'" <cevia@vt.edu>, "'Jan Benedictus'" <jan.benedictus@liones.nl>, "'Michael Priestley'" <mpriestl@ca.ibm.com>
Date: 03/09/2016 05:36 AM
Subject: RE: [dita-lightweight-dita] Strawman structures for learning/training doctypes
Dear Eliot,
So you prefer different question type topics and not one question-topic with different interactions inside. Is this what you mean?
Anyway, in both approaches you can use a map to collect questions. Maybe it’s a little bit more easy for humans and applications to have different question type topics and not have to look inside the question to see which type it is.
Regards, Birgit
Van: Eliot Kimber [mailto:ekimber@contrext.com]
Verzonden: woensdag 9 maart 2016 10:14
Aan: Birgit Strackenbrock <birgit@xstructuring.eu>; 'John Hunt' <john_hunt@us.ibm.com>
CC: 'Amber Swope' <amber@ditastrategies.com>; 'Carlos Evia Puerto' <cevia@vt.edu>; 'Jan Benedictus' <jan.benedictus@liones.nl>; 'Michael Priestley' <mpriestl@ca.ibm.com>
Onderwerp: Re: [dita-lightweight-dita] Strawman structures for learning/training doctypes
I have defined a single-question topic type for use where the client wants to manage tests at the map level, that is, organize individual questions using a map rather than conref from within a topic.
In my formulation the special processing is to suppress the topic title on output so that the presentation result is simply a sequence of questions. This is in the context of test documents.
Having this type of single-question topic is also useful for managing pools of questions in systems that need to have reliable titles associated with managed objects and that prefer (or require) managing content at the topic level (e.g., for search and retrieval within the CCMS interface).
Without an architectural change to DITA whereby maps can define hierarchies of elements below the topic level there's really no better way to manage individual questions.
Cheers,
E.
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From: Birgit Strackenbrock <birgit@xstructuring.eu>
Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 5:57 PM
To: John Hunt/Cambridge/IBM <john_hunt@us.ibm.com>
Cc: 'Amber Swope' <amber@ditastrategies.com>, 'Carlos Evia Puerto' <cevia@vt.edu>, 'Jan Benedictus' <jan.benedictus@liones.nl>, 'Michael Priestley' <mpriestl@ca.ibm.com>, Eliot Kimber <ekimber@contrext.com>
Subject: RE: [dita-lightweight-dita] Strawman structures for learning/training doctypes
Dear John and other T&L experts,
That can be an approach but disadvantage of making the interaction-types topics is that you are not compatible with DITA 1.2/1.3 anymore. If that is acceptable, no problem with me.
Otherwise, maybe we could do something in-between: define a topic question and in the questionBody the user can choose only one interaction out of the group (multipleSelect | singleSelect | openQuestion). The content model of e.g. multipleSelect can bet be same as the one of multipleSelectBody in the example https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita-lightweight-dita/email/archives/201601/msg00000.html.
This could look like this:
I think the advantage will be that we more easily can define more/other interactions and add them as an domain.
So, would do you think about this?
Anyway, it’s somehow funny, for a customer we (I work together with Jan’s team) have chosen for the approach with nested topics for questions.
Kind regards, Birgit
Van: John Hunt [mailto:john_hunt@us.ibm.com]
Verzonden: maandag 7 maart 2016 17:12
Aan: Birgit Strackenbrock <birgit@xstructuring.eu>
CC: 'Amber Swope' <amber@ditastrategies.com>; 'Carlos Evia Puerto' <cevia@vt.edu>; 'Jan Benedictus' <jan.benedictus@liones.nl>; 'Michael Priestley' <mpriestl@ca.ibm.com>
Onderwerp: RE: [dita-lightweight-dita] Strawman structures for learning/training doctypes
Hi Birgit,
We had some discussion at one of the LW DITA calls, and the working suggestion that came out of that was to treat the assessment items as topic specializations, and then let them become embedded sub-topics.
and we thought we'd start with the three question types as single-select, multi-select, and open-question.
that sample attempts to capture that approach
I'm not aware of other efforts to make a scheme for these L&T topics, so will be very interested to see your results.
Thanks.
John
___________________________________
John Hunt
Senior Technical Content Architect
IBM Collaboration Solutions
IBM Design Studios, Durham, NC 27703
john_hunt@us.ibm.com
From: "Birgit Strackenbrock" <birgit@xstructuring.eu>
To: John Hunt/Cambridge/IBM@Lotus, "'Michael Priestley'" <mpriestl@ca.ibm.com>
Cc: "'Amber Swope'" <amber@ditastrategies.com>, "'Carlos Evia Puerto'" <cevia@vt.edu>, "'Jan Benedictus'" <jan.benedictus@liones.nl>
Date: 03/04/2016 07:39 AM
Subject: RE: [dita-lightweight-dita] Strawman structures for learning/training doctypes
Hi John and Amber,
If you don’t mind I can made a XML schema for the LW topic markup for the three learning and training topic types of at least for the assessment, that the one I would like to start with.
Anyway, I have a question about the assessment as shown in https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita-lightweight-dita/email/archives/201601/msg00000.html.
The three question types are standing after the assessmentbody. Is this really what it should be or should they stand within the assessmentbody? I would expect them inside.
Please let me know if meanwhile someone else have developed schema’s and if so where I can find them or if it is ok that I do it.
Kind regards,
Birgit
Van: John Hunt [mailto:john_hunt@us.ibm.com]
Verzonden: maandag 8 februari 2016 16:25
Aan: Michael Priestley <mpriestl@ca.ibm.com>
CC: Birgit Strackenbrock <birgit@xstructuring.eu>; Amber Swope <amber@ditastrategies.com>; Carlos Evia Puerto <cevia@vt.edu>
Onderwerp: RE: [dita-lightweight-dita] Strawman structures for learning/training doctypes
Hi Birgit -
Based on discussion at the Dec 7 and the outline proposal from Amber Swope, I posted some sample LW topic markup for the three learning and training topic types we discussed.
Look here -
https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita-lightweight-dita/email/archives/201601/msg00000.html
I have not yet done anything to add these to a schema.
Have a look and see what you think. Glad to discuss more, either at the next LW DITA call or separately.
John
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John Hunt
Senior Technical Content Architect
IBM Analytics, Enterprise Social Solutions
4502 S. Miami Blvd, Durham, NC 27703
john_hunt@us.ibm.com
From: Michael Priestley/Toronto/IBM
To: "Birgit Strackenbrock" <birgit@xstructuring.eu>
Cc: John Hunt/Cambridge/IBM@Lotus
Date: 02/05/2016 02:04 PM
Subject: RE: [dita-lightweight-dita] Strawman structures for learning/training doctypes
Hi Birgit,
I'm going to bring in John Hunt - he should be able to point you to his latest prototypes.
Michael Priestley, Senior Technical Staff Member (STSM)
Enterprise Content Technology Strategist
mpriestl@ca.ibm.com
http://dita.xml.org/blog/michael-priestley
From: "Birgit Strackenbrock" <birgit@xstructuring.eu>
To: Michael Priestley/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
Date: 02/05/2016 04:49 AM
Subject: RE: [dita-lightweight-dita] Strawman structures for learning/training doctypes
Hello Michael,
Is this the most recent set?
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/svn/dita/subcommittees/LightweightDITA/branches/0.1/org.oasis.lwdita/dtd/
Or do the DTD’s standing in a github repository somewhere?
Kind regards, Birgit
Van: Birgit Strackenbrock [mailto:birgit@xstructuring.eu]
Verzonden: woensdag 3 februari 2016 10:49
Aan: 'Michael Priestley' <mpriestl@ca.ibm.com>
Onderwerp: RE: [dita-lightweight-dita] Strawman structures for learning/training doctypes
Hello Michael,
Are the specialization for LW T&L are already worked out in the DTD’s (or schema’s)?
If so, where can I find them?
Kind regards, Birgit
Van: dita-lightweight-dita@lists.oasis-open.org[mailto:dita-lightweight-dita@lists.oasis-open.org] Namens Michael Priestley
Verzonden: dinsdag 15 december 2015 23:00
Aan: dita-lightweight-dita@lists.oasis-open.org
Onderwerp: [dita-lightweight-dita] Strawman structures for learning/training doctypes
Here's what I have from my notes on today's discussion - leaving tag names out of it
overview - topic type, specialized from topic, containing specialized sections
summary - topic type, specialized from topic, containing specialized sections (some may be reused from overview)
assessment - topic type, specialized from topic, containing/grouping the following specialized topics:
single-select - specialized from topic with specialized sections for the question content, answer options, and feedback
multi-select - same as single-select but with different semantics
open-question - specialized from topic etc.
learning map - specialized map type, with specialized metadata for duration, audience, etc. - and potentially some default structure/sequence - eg start with overview, finish with summary
Net: 6 topic types expressed in 3 document types, 1 map type expressed in 1 document type
Michael Priestley, Senior Technical Staff Member (STSM)
Enterprise Content Technology Strategist
mpriestl@ca.ibm.com
http://dita.xml.org/blog/michael-priestley
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