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Subject: DITA Translation Subcommittee Meeting Minutes: 18 June 2007
DITA Translation Subcommittee Meeting Minutes: 18 June 2007
The DITA Translation Subcommittee met on Monday 18 June 2007
at 8:00 PT for 45 minutes.
1) Roll Call
Present:
JoAnn Hackos (chair)
Robert Anderson
Kara Warburton
Bruce Esrig
Gershon Joseph
Nick Rosenthal
Regrets:
Andrzej Zydron
Don Day
Rodolfo Raya
2) Accept Minutes from 21 May 2007.
Accepted by acclamation.
3) Review open action items
3.1 ACTION: Gershon to investigate whether he can use a client's samples.
Gershon will assemble all the examples into the template for the TC
CONTINUED. Awaiting legal OK; Gershon is selecting items for use in the Best Practice.
3.2 ACTION: Gershon and Don will present the approved best practices on
indexing, conrefs, Translation Memory, and multilanguage as committee drafts for approval by the DITA
Technical Committee.
CONTINUED. Gershon to complete marking up in DITA XML and complete OASIS
customization and deliver to TC for review
Don asked Gershon to make new Wiki page with links to the latest drafts
of the Translation SC BPs for review.
ACTION: Gershon to send marked up one to JoAnn, who may take marking up over from Gershon
3.5 ACTION: Rodolfo will continue to work on the Best Practice for XLIFF
CONTINUED.
3.6 ACTION: JoAnn will try writing the sort order addition to the indexing
Best Practice for review.
CONTINUED.
3.7 ACTION: JoAnn will contact Richard Ishida to get clarification on the
need for a pronunciation element or attribute for the acronym proposal.
IN PROGRESS -- note sent to Richard. JoAnn raised the issue at the OASIS
Symposium with the Accessibility working group headed by Peter Brunet from
IBM. They are working on accessibility for ODF. Suggested that DITA be
included in the accessibility discussions. No response as yet.
JH sent another email. Awaiting response.
4) Returning business:
4.1 Vote on the final version of Andrzej and Rodolfo's acronym proposal.
Kara: Our primary concerns have still not been addressed. The markup is
not suitable for downstream processing of the content. Issue is the
extended term is part of the term, which gets in the way of extraction.
Kara suggested to work towards finding a new markup that meets both auto
needs as well as translation needs. Putting the long element in the short
element because there is no short element will cause downstream processing
problems. Rather leave the short element empty, then processing will take
the long form.
JoAnn: Recommendation is when there is no short form, omit the short form
element and the long form will be used.
2nd bullet in "Translation Issues":
Discussion back and forth...
Kara suggests 3 elements instead of 2, where the third is for
presentation, which incudes the formatting/punctuation etc. and
still preserves the short and expanded forms for automated
processing.
JoAnn: We can't decide this without Andrzej and Rodolfo. Asked Kara
to take a look at the current proposal and consider the suggestion
of adding a third element for presentation, or Bruce's suggestion
of adding an attribute order="short-first | expanded-first" and the
idea is to have a default setting for the language and allow the
translator to override the default in specific cases by setting this
attribute value. We need to note that the translator is trying to
control the presentation via this attribute (or via the third
presentation element).
3rd bullet:
Kara: This problem would normally not occur, but may occur in list
where you would not normally put an article before the acronym.
Bruce and Kara asked to make readers aware that the ID values need
to be a unique identifier.
JoAnn suggested adding a note that there's no mandate for the ID
value to match the short term.
Bruce: We've carefully avoided making language-specific problems.
What about the issue when a person wants to conref to the beginning
of a sentence?
ACTION: Bruce to send email to JoAnn about the linguistic issue.
4.2 Discuss Rodolfo's proposed additions to the Indexing best practice.
Deferred to next meeting.
5) New business:
5.1 JoAnn report on work on acronym specialization
Deferred to next meeting.
--Meeting adjourned at 08:45 PT--
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