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Subject: FW: FW: [dita-translation] Specifying a list of target languages

 from Felix

JoAnn T. Hackos, PhD
Comtech Services, Inc.
710 Kipling Street, Suite 400
Denver CO 80215

-----Original Message-----
From: Felix Sasaki [mailto:fsasaki@w3.org] 
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:23 PM
To: JoAnn Hackos
Cc: Bryan Schnabel; christian.lieske@sap.com; dpooley@sdl.com; esrig-ia@esrig.com; rfletcher@sdl.com; Howard.Schwartz; ishida@w3.org; rmraya@maxprograms.com; tony.jewtushenko@productinnovator.com; ysavourel@translate.com
Subject: Re: FW: [dita-translation] Specifying a list of target languages

Hello JoAnn, all,

JoAnn Hackos さんは書きました:
> For those of you who are “observers” of the DITA Translation 
> Subcommittee, please review Gershon’s note.
> JoAnn
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> *From:* Gershon Joseph (gerjosep) [mailto:gerjosep@cisco.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 09, 2008 7:49 AM
> *To:* dita-translation@lists.oasis-open.org
> *Subject:* [dita-translation] Specifying a list of target languages
> Hi all,
> We have encountered the following requirement, which I know also 
> applies to a number of other organizations I worked with before 
> joining Cisco.
> If there is an ITS spec for this, please could someone point me to the 
> relevant URL and section within the spec.

I think there is no mechanism to in ITS to implement your requirement directly.

> Here is the issue:
> Some elements, particularly <note>, are not translated to all target 
> languages. Many notes (e.g. warning statements required to meet a 
> specific country or region's legal requirements) apply only to a 
> specific set of target languages.
> At present, DITA supports an on/off switch via @translate.
> I would like us to propose a solution for the case where authors need 
> to specify a set of target languages. I feel this would be best 
> achieved either by extending the definition of @translation to have 
> the values "yes | no | group" (I'm sure we can find a better word than
> "group") and add another attribute that lists the target languages, or 
> leave @translate alone and simply add a new attribute that lists the 
> target languages (in which case, if the attribute is not set the 
> default is to translate to all target languages). I'd anticipate a 
> space-separated list of language/locale values, such as "it_IT fr_FR 
> fr_CA".

Having an additional attribute like @targetLanguages sounds good to me. 
A side issue is that probably you should specify what kind of values you 
expect, like BCP 47 language values (applied also in e.g. @xml:lang / 
HTML @lang, the HTTP language header etc.), see for the syntax
I think it would be good to not change the @translate attribute in Dita, 
since otherwise it would become incompatible with the ITS and other 
@translate attributes, which all currently only have the values "yes" 
and "no".

Regards, Felix.

> I read the blog on dita.xml.org that proposes use of a different 
> namespace, but namespaces most likely won't be supported by DITA until 
> release 2.0 at the earliest.
> I disagree with the statement on the blog that the CMS or translation 
> workflow should manage the target languages. We're talking about a set 
> of target languages that apply to a specific element, and relying on 
> the translation workflow for this is asking for trouble... This 
> information must be associated with the element it applies to.
> Suggestions? Comments?
> JoAnn, please could you forward this to the non-OASIS advisors to the 
> Translation SC.
> Thanks in advance for your help in driving this to a spec we can 
> submit to the DITA TC, and/or a best practice we can document.
> Gershon
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