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Subject: Meeting Minutes 7/27/04 -- DITA Technical Committee
Meeting Minutes 7/27/2004 -- DITA Technical Committee *** Please see Action Items and Decision Summary at the end *** ** Agenda ** ------------ 1. Roll call 2. Review/approve minutes from 20 July - http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200407/msg00040.html 3. Continue working on outlines for the initial specifications. - Templates issue: - Report from Eliot on substructure conventions? Specs we should emulate? - Content: - Guidance from Michael and JoAnne. Latest outline: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200407/msg00013.html - DITA Map/task map for the spec documents? - Schedule: - Assess a realistic target date for draft: checkpoints: assigned portions, initial draft, reviews, final review/handoff 4. Progress on remaining issues currently in discussion. All are close to making final decisions for 1.0: - Conref and XInclude? - Namespace for DITA? See discussion on list. - Which version of CALS table model? 5. AOB? ** Minutes ** ------------- 1. Roll call -- - Members: - France Baril - JoAnn Hackos - Shawn Jordan - Mary McRae - Paul Grosso - Stanley Doherty - Eliot Kimber - Mike Wethington - Seraphim Larsen - Indi Leipa - Yas Etessam - Wendy Hambleton - Sharon Veach - Don Day - Observers and visitors: - Erik Hennum - Eric Sirois - Deborah Lapeyre - Alan Houser - We do have a quorum. 2. Review/approve minutes from 20 July - http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200407/msg00040.html - In the namespace discussion, it should have said that Mary McRae is "perfectly happy with a URI namespace", not an "HTML namespace". - A few other comments were posted in the minutes. - Went through the Action Items and Issues, marked several as closed. - Minutes approved as amended. 3. Continue working on outlines for the initial specifications. - Templates issue: - Report from Eliot on substructure conventions? Specs we should emulate? - Skipped; Eliot hasn't been able to work on this yet. - We will examine this more closely when we get closer to needing to decide on a format for the specification. - Mary McRae -- - She will be joining OASIS soon, and one of her tasks will be to handle the templates. It is perfectly acceptable to author the DITA spec in DITA -- don't need to use DocBook. - Also, they plan to provide an XSLT for both DocBook and DITA so other standards owners can easily author their specs in DocBook or DITA. - JoAnn -- They are already planning to do the spec in DITA. But they need a transform to create the PDF of the spec. - Eliot will see if he can find time to create an FO for this. - Arbortext might also be able to come up with something. - Schedule: - Assess a realistic target date for draft: checkpoints: assigned portions, initial draft, reviews, final review/handoff - Erik Hennum -- Maybe we need to list an inventory of all the things we need to close on? - JoAnn -- When will Michael Priestley be back? - Final word -- he'll be back on July 29th before he leaves again for most of August. - Seraphim -- Suggestion to cull the discussion list in order to make a complete list of open tasks. - Don -- Will take this action. He will create a document in the Documents area of the web site to track this. - Don -- What milestones need to occur before we can hand off to OASIS? - Three sections, three weeks of review per section -- Nine weeks total for initial review. - Then two weeks for final review. - This plan was approved. - Don -- Let's set the new deadline as Tuesday, November 16th. Then we'll back the schedule out from there. - Note from Seraphim -- Perhaps this would create a schedule something like this: - 17 Aug 2004 - First major milestone -- complete first draft of first section and send out for review. - Begin review of 1st section. - 07 Sep 2004 - Complete review/revision of 1st section; begin review of 2nd section. - 28 Sep 2004 - Complete review/revision of 2nd section; begin review of 3rd section. - 19 Oct 2004 - Complete review/revision of 3rd section; beginning of final review - 02 Nov 2004 - Complete final review - 16 Nov 2004 - Release 1.0 spec to OASIS - Content: - Guidance from Michael and JoAnne. Latest outline: - http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200407/msg00013.html - Do we need more/less detail? - Paul -- Let's have at least a few words on every topic. Leaving things out will be frustrating for potential adopters. - JoAnn -- Send specific topics to JoAnn and Michael offline. - JoAnn -- The section requiring the most writing will be the intro -- This is where the new user will first meet DITA, and there are also many new items here such as the namespace issues, that aren't even resolved yet. - Don -- Send comments to JoAnn this week. - DITA Map/task map for the spec documents? - Not covered. 4. Progress on remaining issues currently in discussion. All are close to making final decisions for 1.0: - Conref and XInclude? - Not covered - Namespace for DITA? See discussion on list. - Eliot -- Wants namespaces so a document can be unambiguously associated with DITA. - Schema and DTD -- - Eliot -- Schema and DTD are just two ways of repesenting the rules, which are abstract. - Erik -- Should we define the spec as a DTD or a Schema? For example, should we define the spec as a DTD, and then derive the schema from that? - Eliot -- No, the rules are abstract and can be defined independently, and then the DTD and schema are both written based on that. - We're out of time, let's move the discussion to the list. - Which version of CALS table model? - Not covered. 5. AOB? ** Summary of Decisions ** -------------------------- - Decided on schedule for the 1.0 spec -- - Target release date -- Tuesday November 16th. - Plan: There are three sections, requiring three weeks of review per section; to be followed by a comprehensive final review lasting two weeks. ** Action Required ** --------------------- 017 Shawn Jordan -- Post to the TC list his ideas about general extensibility and the creation of new elements not necessarily descended from the Topic element. Still open (not an immediate deliverable -- for post-1.0). 021 JoAnn Hackos, Michael Priestley -- Summarize the discussion of substitution and post to the TC list. Still pending as of 7/20/04. 022 Don, Michael -- Put together a "self-study" tutorial/demo, as per JoAnn's comments regarding the DITA sessions. Still pending as of 7/20/04. 024 Eliot -- Find out exactly how to entitle the subsections within the two specifications (as "sub specification", or as "Part 1, part 2, etc.", or in some other way). - Eliot sent email to specification support person, but no response back yet. (6/29/04) - Also Eliot should ask if OASIS can provide any examples of well-written specs (in regard to content, not format) 026 Michael -- See how Conref and XInclude contrast with SGML. Still pending as of 7/20/04. 027 Erik Hennum -- Wrap up his thoughts about Conref and XInclude and put them on the list. Still pending as of 7/27/04. 029 Eliot -- Wrap up the "set of namespaces" as a proposal for the TC to approve next week. Marked as completed 7/27/04 -- covered elsewhere. 031 Don -- Ask Eliot whether the conref/xinclude issues must be resolved for 1.0 or can be deferred. Don asked but hasn't received a response. Completed as of 7/27/04. 033 Don -- Ask all the owners of "Issues to be Resolved", below, to move the issues to the list and get them off the minutes. Completed as of 7/27/04. 034 Don -- Contact principles on the Conref and XInclude discussion and drive to closure to a unified proposal. Completed as of 7/27/04. 035 Don -- Contact principles on the Namespace issues -- is it just a string, or is it a URL? >>> It is a URI namespace. This item closed as of 7/27/04. 036 Shawn Jordan -- Investigate where to point the DITA namespace -- where does the URL point? Maybe an OASIS page that describes what DITA does, etc. 037 Don -- Find someone to investigate the impact on those with legacy content of moving from the CALS model to the HTML model. 038 Debbie Lapeyre -- Take the table-model discussion to the list. Completed as of 7/27/04. 039 Unassigned -- Find more information comparing the CALS and HTML table models. >>> There was some discussion on the list, and Don will post a URL to a discussion on the DocBook list, so consider it closed as of 7/27/04. 040 Don -- Cull the past minutes and discussion list to create an inventory of all the things we need to close on in order to create the 1.0 spec. Create a list of these items and post it in the Documents area of the website. 041 All -- Send comments on spec 1.0 to JoAnn this week. ** Issues to be Resolved ** --------------------------- 001 Bruce Esrig -- How does specialization interact with maps? Let's move all these issues to be discussed on the list. Closed as of 7/27/04. 002 Bruce Sesnovich -- How do we resolve name conflicts? (E.g. two people create two different specializations off the same parent topic, but give them the same name). Let's move all these issues to be discussed on the list. Closed as of 7/27/04. 003 Don Day -- Let's explore tools that can make the specialization process easier (that is, help automate it -- it is simple but tedious). Maybe there are vendors who would be interested in working with us on this. Let's move all these issues to be discussed on the list. Closed as of 7/27/04. 004 Bruce -- We need to go beyond naming conventions, and have a formal syntax that captures the specialization structure. Let's move all these issues to be discussed on the list. Closed as of 7/27/04. <END> ___________________________________________________________ Seraphim Larsen ICG Technical Publications Sr. Technical Writer Intel Corporation (480) 552-6504 Chandler, AZ The content of this message is my personal opinion only. 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