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Subject: MEETING MINUTES -- 14 SEPT 2004 -- DITA TECHNICAL COMMITTEE
MEETING MINUTES -- 14 SEPT 2004 -- DITA TECHNICAL COMMITTEE
*** Please see Action Items and Decision Summary at the end ***
** Agenda **
------------
0. Assign a minute-taker
1. Roll call
2. Review/approve minutes from 7 September
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200409/msg00003.html
3. Resume discussion on current issues:
- For the Exchange table model:
Finish reviewing the proposed DITA inclusions
What migration issues can the TC help mitigate for current users?
4. DTD cleanup
- Alignment convention (elements, attributes, comments, etc.)
- Testing the DTDs and Schemas
5. Feasibility of a TC F2F?
6. AOB?
- Schedule reminder:
- 17 Aug 2004
- First major milestone -- complete
first draft of first section and send
out for review.
- Begin review of 1st section.
- 07 Sep 2004
- Complete review/revision of 1st
section; begin review of 2nd section.
- 28 Sep 2004
- Complete review/revision of 2nd
section; begin review of 3rd section.
- 19 Oct 2004
- Complete review/revision of 3rd
section; beginning of final review
- 02 Nov 2004
- Complete final review
- 16 Nov 2004
- Release 1.0 spec to OASIS
** Minutes **
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1. Roll call
- Members: Paul Grosso, Wendy Hambleton, Michael Priestley,
Paul Antonov, France Baril, Mary McRae, Deborah Lapeyre,
Eliot Kimber, Sharon Veach, Don Day
- We do not have quorum (10/22)
- Observers and Visitors: David Brainard, Erik Hennum,
Eric Sirois, Tyde Richards, Kirsten Nothstine
2. Review/approve minutes from 07 September
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200409/msg00003.html
france: motion to approve
michael: second
- Minutes approved.
3. Resume discussion on current issues:
- For the Exchange table model:
Finish reviewing the proposed DITA inclusions
- Don reviewed the list he posted just before the meeting
- mp: friendly amendment--
proposed adding id-atts to <entry> to allow reuse of
individual cells
- proposal seems backwards-compatible; will add to list.
- discussion of scale attribute
- don: part of display-atts, on many exhibits
- paul grosso: same concerns, introducing presentation
attribute;
own customers don't use it, why does dita?
- mp: writers need it
- don: can do via processing override
- mp: too onerous for writers
- pg: what about interop with other tables outside dita?
- debbie: scale typically on graphic, not table; and applies
to exhibit, not text within the exhibit, hence pushback
- Issue for TC: revisit scale on graphic
- mp: we (IBM) are using it consistently though, in table
case pgwide handles size of table, scale handles text,
scaling of graphics
- pg: will not object if community agrees
- mp: propose email vote
part a: scale attribute part of proposal?
part b: approval of proposal (including addition of
id-atts on entry)
- Discussion:
- france: what would writers do if scale wasn't available?
- don: add one override per table, selecting tables to scale
by id
- debbie: we are adding something most software won't have;
this will be a dita table model, not exchange
- france: possible to split or scale on output without
attribute?
- mary: anyone other than ibm using it?
- france: not using yet, but think it's important
- don: ask dita users forum about scale attribute?
- mp: ask now, vote next week
- don: consensus, will do (Action: Don to ask on dita-users)
- What migration issues can the TC help mitigate for current users?
- don: one possibility is a migration transform
but issues with doctype/dtd/schema reference
need to parameterize transform, or require new shell per
output doctype
possible to parameterize xsl:output?
- mp: can see what ibm is doing and ask if it can be
contributed
- don: good project for practicing xslt skills if anyone's
interested
(silence)
- don: Action: check with ibm tools team. either way wait for
next week before starting development
- Terminology
- mp: concern with vocabulary since previously meant domain
why not say document type?
- erik: implies entire set of elements, which could include
non-dita elements
- Ran out of time during discussion
- Don: take discussion to the list
- Action for Michael Priestley: provide this comment
about vocabulary to the list.
4. DTD cleanup
- Alignment convention (elements, attributes, comments,
etc.)
- Ran out of time -- Not addressed
- Testing the DTDs and Schemas
- Ran out of time -- Not addressed
5. Feasibility of a TC F2F?
- Ran out of time -- Not addressed
6. AOB?
- Ran out of time -- Not addressed
** Summary of Decisions **
--------------------------
- None; no quorum today
** Action Required **
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017 Shawn Jordan -- Post to the TC list his ideas about general
extensibility and the creation of new elements not
necessarily descended from the Topic element. Still open
(not an immediate deliverable -- for post-1.0).
021 JoAnn Hackos, Michael Priestley -- Summarize the discussion
of substitution and post to the TC list. Still pending as of
7/20/04.
022 Don, Michael -- Put together a "self-study" tutorial/demo,
as per JoAnn's comments regarding the DITA sessions. Still
pending as of 7/20/04.
036 Shawn Jordan -- Investigate where to point the DITA
namespace -- where does the URL point? Maybe an OASIS page
that describes what DITA does, etc. Still pending 8/17/04.
040 Don -- Cull the past minutes and discussion list to create
an inventory of all the things we need to close on in order
to create the 1.0 spec. Create a list of these items and
post it in the Documents area of the website. >>> This will
be ongoing.
042 All -- Consider need for and practicality of 2-3 day
face-to-face meeting in late October in order to resolve
final technical issues in advance of final editorial work.
043 Michael Priestley -- Add a straw-man audience statement to
the introduction. <<< Still pending as of 9/7/04.
051 Don Day, 9/7/04 -- Take the discussion of @scale attribute
and related issues to the list (presentation mechanisms).
<<< Completed as of 9/14/04
052 Don Day, 9/14/04 -- Is anyone other than IBM actually using
the scale attribute? Don to ask on dita-users forum; get
usage info for next week's discussion.
053 Don Day or Michael Priestley, 9/14/04 -- Ask the IBM tools
team what they contemplate doing for table migration, and
whether it can be contributed for all to use.
054 Michael Priestley, 9/14/04 -- Provide a comment about
vocabulary (terminology discussion) to the list.
** Issues to be Resolved **
---------------------------
005 All -- What should the scope and length of the conceptual
introduction be? >>> We'll get this from JoAnn.
006 All -- Should DITA specialization mechanism be documented in
a separate specification in order to make it easier to use
in other XML applications that otherwise have no
relationship to topic-based writing? >>> Ongoing.
008 Namespace Subcommittee -- Decide namespace issues. New as
of 8/31/04.
009 "Best Practices" document -- Let's put this on the agenda
for future discussion.
010 Relationship between DITA and other topic-based
architectures (such as S1000D) -- Need to incorporate this
into the "Best Practices" document.
011 All -- Revisit use of @scale on image (general treatment
of graphics, ie raster vs vector assumptions, etc.).
Compare/contrast with controls for the <object> element,
which in HTML subsumes the <img> element.
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