[dita] MEETING MINUTES -- 06 February 2006 -- DITA Translation Subcommittee

["JoAnn Hackos" <joann.hackos@comtech-serv.com>]

MEETING MINUTES -- 06 February 2006 -- DITA TECHNICAL
COMMITTEE/Translation Subcommittee
(Minutes taken by Don Day and JoAnn Hackos)
Date:  Tuesday, 06 February 2006 
Time:  08:00am - 09:00am PT 

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Meeting Introduction and Goals
	DITA and Translation -- Organizational Meeting

Thank you all for deciding to participate in the organizational meeting
for
what we hope becomes a valuable addition to the OASIS DITA Technical
Committee activities.


Here are some of the goals that have been in our discussions for the
past
two months at the OASIS DITA TC:


1) We are anxious, as you know, to develop an effective liaison with the
W3C ITS activities so that both committee are engaged in providing for
the
needs of the information-development community from authoring through
localization into the production of final deliverables in multiple
languages.

2) We hope to establish guidelines that promote best practices for
authoring, workflow, and tools that always information to move smoothly
from original authors through translators and production specialists
handling the intricacies of multiple languages and cultures.


3) We hope to build into existing specifications methods that will help
vendors and service providers comply with DITA and translation-oriented
standards.

4) And, perhaps most specifically, we hope to add a DITA to XLIFF tools
to
the Open Source so that content can move smoothly along the full
development life cycle.

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Agenda for the Organizational Meeting

* Introduce the participants

	JoAnn Hackos, Comtech, OASIS DITA TC, co-organizer of this
meeting
	Don Day, IBM, OASIS DITA TC Chairperson and co-organizer of this
meeting

	Charles Pau, IBM, Localization, involved in the IBM
implementation of DITA and 	Translation, interested in the XLIFF
open source tool

	Yves Savourel, Chair ITS WG W3C--constructs and guidelines for
translation, I18N of XML 	content. DITA is of interest.

	Andrzej Zydron, CTO of XML-INTL, serves on W3C ITS, LISA
Steering Cmte, OASIS XLIFF TC, 	OASIS Translation Web Svcs TC, LISA
Globalization Metrics, demos of ITS standards, 	particularly xml:tm.

	Felix Sasaki, Team contact ITS WG, wants to discuss liaison
relations.

	Gershon Joseph, consultant in Israeli market, has clients moving
to XML content often 	with localization requirements, wants to
streamline the translation workflow

	Tony Yevtushenko, Chair XLIFF TC, I18N, L10N, here to understand
how to work more 	effectively to optimize our synergies, has
implementation models around XLIFF to make us 	aware of.

	Rodolfo Raya, Heartsome.  Supports many formats to XLIFF, has
one for XLIFF/DITA already.  	Understands the value of a common
solution for all to use.  Interested in an OS solution 	for the DITA
Toolkit.

	Sukumar Munshi solution architect for Lionbridge. Applying
expertise to DITA. First 	commercial implementation of XLIFF,
interested in interoperability of translation 	standards.

	Mark Ambrose, SDL--lot of customers with DITA interest, want to
stay on the forefront and 	participate in discussions. Also
introduced David Pooley and Richard Fletcher

	Patrick Klassen, Scriptware. DocZone is a hosted CMS--all
customers can
	share content, style sheets, processes, DITA is a key standard,
uses tools from XML Intl

	Chrisian Lieske, SAP company, business solutions--content
engineering, works with 	different members on this call.
Interested in DITA and its move into different languages.

	Bryan Schnabel, Tektronix, sent regrets for having mistaken the
meeting time. Is very 	interested in taking part.

*** Plan a time for future meetings

	General agreement on Mondays at this time, weekly for two
months. JoAnn will send Outlook 	invitation.

***Goals for the DITA/ITS liaison subcommittee

	Don Day has two goals for liaison with W3C: provisioning for
standards, and best 	practices

	Christian: advised on liaison requirements from W3C side (Don,
get a note between Felix 	and Carol Geyer on formalizing the
activity) Patent policy, for example.

* Review and revise the goals (here are some key points to discuss)

* Review of messages heard by the TC about DITA's scorecard

Don's 4 items: Translatable attributes, @translate & @xml:lang, best
practices for authors, tools, inline/block identification

Rodolfo: Some elements are blocks that might appear in the middle of a
sentence.

Mark agrees on clearly separating these items.

Andrjez points out the table created by Robert Anderson and Chris Wong
that shows what is inline and not. Good to deprecate attribute content
due to inflections. ITS looked at occurrence.
Notes that "translate=no" is not used a great deal, but useful.

Sukumar Munshi on @translate: decisions on who should specify this
should inform on actual DTD specification. Don suggests best practices
for specializers, Joann includes practices for editor/translation tool
vendors.

JoAnn suggests review of the block/inline elements for next meeting

Wants to move quickly toward best practices for attributes

*** Work of the TC and ITS to define update recommendations for DITA
1.1 and authoring best practices


*** Feasibility of a DITA/XLIFF transform project

Andrzej and Felix know of Sun, Schnabel, a third GPL license. Tony
Jewtushenko will send the links to the related tools lists.

Don's goals: specialization awareness and segmentation based on text
analysis

Andrzej--SRX as a technology. Would be willing to review these standards
for the next meeting.

Items not discussed because of time. For next meeting:
* Coordination on messages to users and industry

* Discussion of worldwide opportunity for DITA--are we now at the
tipping point? How big is the pie we expect to divide up?

* Enumerate a set of possible actions

* Define priorities of these actions

* Ask participants in the meeting to consider what role they would like
to have in fulfilling the goals in preparation for the next meeting

I know that this is an aggressive agenda. We'll do our best to keep on
track and do as much as we can to make plans for the future.

Thank you again for your willingness to help,

JoAnn mentioned the white paper activity, encouraged committee review of
its recommendations when it is ready in about a month.


Next meeting: discuss existing set of standards, review Anderson's
paper, consider test cases of DITA in different languages (particularly
Arabic).


Current draft of next DITA release?  TC still working on 1.1
inputs-watch this space. DITA OT 1.2 coming out this week.


Don Day and JoAnn Hackos