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Subject: RE: [dita] MEETING MINUTES -- 06 February 2006 -- DITA Translation Subcommittee
Hi JoAnn, Only I got this message ;-) Yes, if a group is calling themselves a subcommittee, there must be a way to capture the work that doesn't go against the TC Process or IPR Policies. It's okay to be a subcommittee and then invite someone to present to the group, but it must be clear who's in (and able to contribute, post, est.) and who's just a guest presenting to the group in an informal (unofficial) meeting. Mary > -----Original Message----- > From: JoAnn Hackos [mailto:joann.hackos@comtech-serv.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:50 PM > To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > Subject: RE: [dita] MEETING MINUTES -- 06 February 2006 -- > DITA Translation Subcommittee > > Mary wants us to become an official subcommittee. We most > likely need a vote of the TC to do so. Does that seem like a > good idea to you? > JoAnn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary McRae [mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:38 PM > To: JoAnn Hackos; dita@lists.oasis-open.org; 'Andrzej > Zydron'; bhertz@sdl.com; 'Bryan Schnabel'; > charles_pau@us.ibm.com; christian.lieske@sap.com; > dpooley@sdl.com; dond@us.ibm.com; dschell@us.ibm.com; > fsasaki@w3.org; rfletcher@sdl.com; gershon@tech-tav.com; > Jennifer Linton; mambrose@sdl.com; patrickk@scriptware.nl; > Peter.Reynolds@lionbridge.com; ishida@w3.org; > rodolfo@heartsome.net; Sukumar.Munshi@lionbridge.com; > tony.jewtushenko@productinnovator.com; ysavourel@translate.com > Subject: RE: [dita] MEETING MINUTES -- 06 February 2006 -- > DITA Translation Subcommittee > > Hi everyone, > > I'm afraid I missed something. My apologies! Don, if you can > send me the link to the minutes where the SC was > voted/approved, the name of the chair(s)/secretary and either > a charter or statement of work I can get a Kavi SC set up > along with a mailing list. Glad to see some of the XLIFF > folks on this list! > > Regards, > > Mary > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JoAnn Hackos [mailto:joann.hackos@comtech-serv.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:00 PM > > To: dita@lists.oasis-open.org; Andrzej Zydron; > bhertz@sdl.com; Bryan > > Schnabel; charles_pau@us.ibm.com; christian.lieske@sap.com; > > dpooley@sdl.com; dond@us.ibm.com; dschell@us.ibm.com; > fsasaki@w3.org; > > rfletcher@sdl.com; gershon@tech-tav.com; Jennifer Linton; JoAnn > > Hackos; mambrose@sdl.com; patrickk@scriptware.nl; > > Peter.Reynolds@lionbridge.com; ishida@w3.org; > rodolfo@heartsome.net; > > Sukumar.Munshi@lionbridge.com; > tony.jewtushenko@productinnovator.com; > > ysavourel@translate.com > > Subject: [dita] MEETING MINUTES -- 06 February 2006 -- DITA > > Translation Subcommittee > > > > MEETING MINUTES -- 06 February 2006 -- DITA TECHNICAL > > COMMITTEE/Translation Subcommittee (Minutes taken by Don > Day and JoAnn > > Hackos) > > Date: Tuesday, 06 February 2006 > > Time: 08:00am - 09:00am PT > > > > DITA Technical Committee website: > > - Public: > > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=dita > > - Members only: > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita/ > > - Wiki: http://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/ > > > > > > Meeting Introduction and Goals > > DITA and Translation -- Organizational Meeting > > > > Thank you all for deciding to participate in the organizational > > meeting for what we hope becomes a valuable addition to the > OASIS DITA > > Technical Committee activities. > > > > > > Here are some of the goals that have been in our > discussions for the > > past two months at the OASIS DITA TC: > > > > > > 1) We are anxious, as you know, to develop an effective > liaison with > > the W3C ITS activities so that both committee are engaged > in providing > > for the needs of the information-development community from > authoring > > through localization into the production of final deliverables in > > multiple languages. > > > > 2) We hope to establish guidelines that promote best practices for > > authoring, workflow, and tools that always information to move > > smoothly from original authors through translators and production > > specialists handling the intricacies of multiple languages and > > cultures. > > > > > > 3) We hope to build into existing specifications methods that will > > help vendors and service providers comply with DITA and > > translation-oriented standards. > > > > 4) And, perhaps most specifically, we hope to add a DITA to XLIFF > > tools to the Open Source so that content can move smoothly > along the > > full development life cycle. > > > > ____________________________ > > > > > > Agenda for the Organizational Meeting > > > > * Introduce the participants > > > > JoAnn Hackos, Comtech, OASIS DITA TC, co-organizer of > this meeting > > Don Day, IBM, OASIS DITA TC Chairperson and > co-organizer of this > > meeting > > > > Charles Pau, IBM, Localization, involved in the IBM > > implementation of DITA and Translation, interested in the XLIFF > > open source tool > > > > Yves Savourel, Chair ITS WG W3C--constructs and guidelines for > > translation, I18N of XML content. DITA is of interest. > > > > Andrzej Zydron, CTO of XML-INTL, serves on W3C ITS, LISA > > Steering Cmte, OASIS XLIFF TC, OASIS Translation Web > > Svcs TC, LISA > > Globalization Metrics, demos of ITS standards, > > particularly xml:tm. > > > > Felix Sasaki, Team contact ITS WG, wants to discuss liaison > > relations. > > > > Gershon Joseph, consultant in Israeli market, has clients moving > > to XML content often with localization requirements, wants to > > streamline the translation workflow > > > > Tony Yevtushenko, Chair XLIFF TC, I18N, L10N, here to understand > > how to work more effectively to optimize our synergies, has > > implementation models around XLIFF to make us aware of. > > > > Rodolfo Raya, Heartsome. Supports many formats to XLIFF, has > > one for XLIFF/DITA already. Understands the value > of a common > > solution for all to use. Interested in an OS solution > > for the DITA > > Toolkit. > > > > Sukumar Munshi solution architect for Lionbridge. Applying > > expertise to DITA. First commercial implementation of XLIFF, > > interested in interoperability of translation standards. > > > > Mark Ambrose, SDL--lot of customers with DITA interest, want to > > stay on the forefront and participate in discussions. Also > > introduced David Pooley and Richard Fletcher > > > > Patrick Klassen, Scriptware. DocZone is a hosted > CMS--all customers > > can > > share content, style sheets, processes, DITA is a key > standard, uses > > tools from XML Intl > > > > Chrisian Lieske, SAP company, business solutions--content > > engineering, works with different members on this call. > > Interested in DITA and its move into different languages. > > > > Bryan Schnabel, Tektronix, sent regrets for having mistaken the > > meeting time. Is very interested in taking part. > > > > *** Plan a time for future meetings > > > > General agreement on Mondays at this time, weekly for two > > months. JoAnn will send Outlook invitation. > > > > ***Goals for the DITA/ITS liaison subcommittee > > > > Don Day has two goals for liaison with W3C: provisioning for > > standards, and best practices > > > > Christian: advised on liaison requirements from W3C side (Don, > > get a note between Felix and Carol Geyer on formalizing the > > activity) Patent policy, for example. > > > > * Review and revise the goals (here are some key points to discuss) > > > > * Review of messages heard by the TC about DITA's scorecard > > > > Don's 4 items: Translatable attributes, @translate & > @xml:lang, best > > practices for authors, tools, inline/block identification > > > > Rodolfo: Some elements are blocks that might appear in the > middle of a > > sentence. > > > > Mark agrees on clearly separating these items. > > > > Andrjez points out the table created by Robert Anderson and > Chris Wong > > that shows what is inline and not. Good to deprecate > attribute content > > due to inflections. ITS looked at occurrence. > > Notes that "translate=no" is not used a great deal, but useful. > > > > Sukumar Munshi on @translate: decisions on who should specify this > > should inform on actual DTD specification. Don suggests > best practices > > for specializers, Joann includes practices for > editor/translation tool > > vendors. > > > > JoAnn suggests review of the block/inline elements for next meeting > > > > Wants to move quickly toward best practices for attributes > > > > *** Work of the TC and ITS to define update recommendations for DITA > > 1.1 and authoring best practices > > > > > > *** Feasibility of a DITA/XLIFF transform project > > > > Andrzej and Felix know of Sun, Schnabel, a third GPL license. > > Tony Jewtushenko will send the links to the related tools lists. > > > > Don's goals: specialization awareness and segmentation > based on text > > analysis > > > > Andrzej--SRX as a technology. Would be willing to review these > > standards for the next meeting. > > > > Items not discussed because of time. For next meeting: > > * Coordination on messages to users and industry > > > > * Discussion of worldwide opportunity for DITA--are we now at the > > tipping point? How big is the pie we expect to divide up? > > > > * Enumerate a set of possible actions > > > > * Define priorities of these actions > > > > * Ask participants in the meeting to consider what role they would > > like to have in fulfilling the goals in preparation for the next > > meeting > > > > I know that this is an aggressive agenda. We'll do our best > to keep on > > track and do as much as we can to make plans for the future. > > > > Thank you again for your willingness to help, > > > > JoAnn mentioned the white paper activity, encouraged > committee review > > of its recommendations when it is ready in about a month. > > > > > > Next meeting: discuss existing set of standards, review > > Anderson's paper, consider test cases of DITA in different > > languages (particularly Arabic). > > > > > > Current draft of next DITA release? TC still working on 1.1 > > inputs-watch this space. DITA OT 1.2 coming out this week. > > > > > > Don Day and JoAnn Hackos > > > > >
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