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Subject: RE: [dita] MEETING MINUTES -- 06 February 2006 -- DITA Translation Subcommittee


Hi JoAnn,

  Only I got this message ;-)

  Yes, if a group is calling themselves a subcommittee, there must be a way to capture the work that doesn't go against the TC
Process or IPR Policies. It's okay to be a subcommittee and then invite someone to present to the group, but it must be clear who's
in (and able to contribute, post, est.) and who's just a guest presenting to the group in an informal (unofficial) meeting.

Mary 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: JoAnn Hackos [mailto:joann.hackos@comtech-serv.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:50 PM
> To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [dita] MEETING MINUTES -- 06 February 2006 -- 
> DITA Translation Subcommittee
> 
> Mary wants us to become an official subcommittee. We most 
> likely need a vote of the TC to do so. Does that seem like a 
> good idea to you?
> JoAnn 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mary McRae [mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:38 PM
> To: JoAnn Hackos; dita@lists.oasis-open.org; 'Andrzej 
> Zydron'; bhertz@sdl.com; 'Bryan Schnabel'; 
> charles_pau@us.ibm.com; christian.lieske@sap.com; 
> dpooley@sdl.com; dond@us.ibm.com; dschell@us.ibm.com; 
> fsasaki@w3.org; rfletcher@sdl.com; gershon@tech-tav.com; 
> Jennifer Linton; mambrose@sdl.com; patrickk@scriptware.nl; 
> Peter.Reynolds@lionbridge.com; ishida@w3.org; 
> rodolfo@heartsome.net; Sukumar.Munshi@lionbridge.com; 
> tony.jewtushenko@productinnovator.com; ysavourel@translate.com
> Subject: RE: [dita] MEETING MINUTES -- 06 February 2006 -- 
> DITA Translation Subcommittee
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
>  I'm afraid I missed something. My apologies! Don, if you can 
> send me the link to the minutes where the SC was 
> voted/approved, the name of the chair(s)/secretary and either 
> a charter or statement of work I can get a Kavi SC set up 
> along with a mailing list. Glad to see some of the XLIFF 
> folks on this list!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mary 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JoAnn Hackos [mailto:joann.hackos@comtech-serv.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:00 PM
> > To: dita@lists.oasis-open.org; Andrzej Zydron; 
> bhertz@sdl.com; Bryan 
> > Schnabel; charles_pau@us.ibm.com; christian.lieske@sap.com; 
> > dpooley@sdl.com; dond@us.ibm.com; dschell@us.ibm.com; 
> fsasaki@w3.org; 
> > rfletcher@sdl.com; gershon@tech-tav.com; Jennifer Linton; JoAnn 
> > Hackos; mambrose@sdl.com; patrickk@scriptware.nl; 
> > Peter.Reynolds@lionbridge.com; ishida@w3.org; 
> rodolfo@heartsome.net; 
> > Sukumar.Munshi@lionbridge.com; 
> tony.jewtushenko@productinnovator.com; 
> > ysavourel@translate.com
> > Subject: [dita] MEETING MINUTES -- 06 February 2006 -- DITA 
> > Translation Subcommittee
> > 
> > MEETING MINUTES -- 06 February 2006 -- DITA TECHNICAL 
> > COMMITTEE/Translation Subcommittee (Minutes taken by Don 
> Day and JoAnn 
> > Hackos)
> > Date:  Tuesday, 06 February 2006
> > Time:  08:00am - 09:00am PT
> > 
> > DITA Technical Committee website:  
> >     - Public:
> > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=dita 
> >     - Members only: 
> > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita/ 
> >     - Wiki:         http://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/ 
> > 
> > 
> > Meeting Introduction and Goals
> > 	DITA and Translation -- Organizational Meeting
> > 
> > Thank you all for deciding to participate in the organizational 
> > meeting for what we hope becomes a valuable addition to the 
> OASIS DITA 
> > Technical Committee activities.
> > 
> > 
> > Here are some of the goals that have been in our 
> discussions for the 
> > past two months at the OASIS DITA TC:
> > 
> > 
> > 1) We are anxious, as you know, to develop an effective 
> liaison with 
> > the W3C ITS activities so that both committee are engaged 
> in providing 
> > for the needs of the information-development community from 
> authoring 
> > through localization into the production of final deliverables in 
> > multiple languages.
> > 
> > 2) We hope to establish guidelines that promote best practices for 
> > authoring, workflow, and tools that always information to move 
> > smoothly from original authors through translators and production 
> > specialists handling the intricacies of multiple languages and 
> > cultures.
> > 
> > 
> > 3) We hope to build into existing specifications methods that will 
> > help vendors and service providers comply with DITA and 
> > translation-oriented standards.
> > 
> > 4) And, perhaps most specifically, we hope to add a DITA to XLIFF 
> > tools to the Open Source so that content can move smoothly 
> along the 
> > full development life cycle.
> > 
> > ____________________________
> > 
> > 
> > Agenda for the Organizational Meeting
> > 
> > * Introduce the participants
> > 
> > 	JoAnn Hackos, Comtech, OASIS DITA TC, co-organizer of 
> this meeting
> > 	Don Day, IBM, OASIS DITA TC Chairperson and 
> co-organizer of this 
> > meeting
> > 
> > 	Charles Pau, IBM, Localization, involved in the IBM
> > implementation of DITA and 	Translation, interested in the XLIFF
> > open source tool
> > 
> > 	Yves Savourel, Chair ITS WG W3C--constructs and guidelines for
> > translation, I18N of XML 	content. DITA is of interest.
> > 
> > 	Andrzej Zydron, CTO of XML-INTL, serves on W3C ITS, LISA
> > Steering Cmte, OASIS XLIFF TC, 	OASIS Translation Web 
> > Svcs TC, LISA
> > Globalization Metrics, demos of ITS standards, 	
> > particularly xml:tm.
> > 
> > 	Felix Sasaki, Team contact ITS WG, wants to discuss liaison 
> > relations.
> > 
> > 	Gershon Joseph, consultant in Israeli market, has clients moving
> > to XML content often 	with localization requirements, wants to
> > streamline the translation workflow
> > 
> > 	Tony Yevtushenko, Chair XLIFF TC, I18N, L10N, here to understand
> > how to work more 	effectively to optimize our synergies, has
> > implementation models around XLIFF to make us 	aware of.
> > 
> > 	Rodolfo Raya, Heartsome.  Supports many formats to XLIFF, has
> > one for XLIFF/DITA already.  	Understands the value 
> of a common
> > solution for all to use.  Interested in an OS solution 	
> > for the DITA
> > Toolkit.
> > 
> > 	Sukumar Munshi solution architect for Lionbridge. Applying
> > expertise to DITA. First 	commercial implementation of XLIFF,
> > interested in interoperability of translation 	standards.
> > 
> > 	Mark Ambrose, SDL--lot of customers with DITA interest, want to
> > stay on the forefront and 	participate in discussions. Also
> > introduced David Pooley and Richard Fletcher
> > 
> > 	Patrick Klassen, Scriptware. DocZone is a hosted 
> CMS--all customers 
> > can
> > 	share content, style sheets, processes, DITA is a key 
> standard, uses 
> > tools from XML Intl
> > 
> > 	Chrisian Lieske, SAP company, business solutions--content
> > engineering, works with 	different members on this call.
> > Interested in DITA and its move into different languages.
> > 
> > 	Bryan Schnabel, Tektronix, sent regrets for having mistaken the
> > meeting time. Is very 	interested in taking part.
> > 
> > *** Plan a time for future meetings
> > 
> > 	General agreement on Mondays at this time, weekly for two
> > months. JoAnn will send Outlook 	invitation.
> > 
> > ***Goals for the DITA/ITS liaison subcommittee
> > 
> > 	Don Day has two goals for liaison with W3C: provisioning for
> > standards, and best 	practices
> > 
> > 	Christian: advised on liaison requirements from W3C side (Don,
> > get a note between Felix 	and Carol Geyer on formalizing the
> > activity) Patent policy, for example.
> > 
> > * Review and revise the goals (here are some key points to discuss)
> > 
> > * Review of messages heard by the TC about DITA's scorecard
> > 
> > Don's 4 items: Translatable attributes, @translate & 
> @xml:lang, best 
> > practices for authors, tools, inline/block identification
> > 
> > Rodolfo: Some elements are blocks that might appear in the 
> middle of a 
> > sentence.
> > 
> > Mark agrees on clearly separating these items.
> > 
> > Andrjez points out the table created by Robert Anderson and 
> Chris Wong 
> > that shows what is inline and not. Good to deprecate 
> attribute content 
> > due to inflections. ITS looked at occurrence.
> > Notes that "translate=no" is not used a great deal, but useful.
> > 
> > Sukumar Munshi on @translate: decisions on who should specify this 
> > should inform on actual DTD specification. Don suggests 
> best practices 
> > for specializers, Joann includes practices for 
> editor/translation tool 
> > vendors.
> > 
> > JoAnn suggests review of the block/inline elements for next meeting
> > 
> > Wants to move quickly toward best practices for attributes
> > 
> > *** Work of the TC and ITS to define update recommendations for DITA
> > 1.1 and authoring best practices
> > 
> > 
> > *** Feasibility of a DITA/XLIFF transform project
> > 
> > Andrzej and Felix know of Sun, Schnabel, a third GPL license. 
> > Tony Jewtushenko will send the links to the related tools lists.
> > 
> > Don's goals: specialization awareness and segmentation 
> based on text 
> > analysis
> > 
> > Andrzej--SRX as a technology. Would be willing to review these 
> > standards for the next meeting.
> > 
> > Items not discussed because of time. For next meeting:
> > * Coordination on messages to users and industry
> > 
> > * Discussion of worldwide opportunity for DITA--are we now at the 
> > tipping point? How big is the pie we expect to divide up?
> > 
> > * Enumerate a set of possible actions
> > 
> > * Define priorities of these actions
> > 
> > * Ask participants in the meeting to consider what role they would 
> > like to have in fulfilling the goals in preparation for the next 
> > meeting
> > 
> > I know that this is an aggressive agenda. We'll do our best 
> to keep on 
> > track and do as much as we can to make plans for the future.
> > 
> > Thank you again for your willingness to help,
> > 
> > JoAnn mentioned the white paper activity, encouraged 
> committee review 
> > of its recommendations when it is ready in about a month.
> > 
> > 
> > Next meeting: discuss existing set of standards, review 
> > Anderson's paper, consider test cases of DITA in different 
> > languages (particularly Arabic).
> > 
> > 
> > Current draft of next DITA release?  TC still working on 1.1 
> > inputs-watch this space. DITA OT 1.2 coming out this week.
> > 
> > 
> > Don Day and JoAnn Hackos
> > 
> 
> 
> 



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