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Subject: RE: [dita] Name attribute of object element
Did we ever make any progress on this? I would still like to see some public list of minor editorial and technical issues to be worked out. This will become even more urgent as we try to merge in a bunch of new content and that content itself contains issues to be worked out. > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Day [mailto:dond@us.ibm.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:51 AM > To: JoAnn.Hackos@Comtech-Serv.com; Michael Priestley > Cc: dita@lists.oasis-open.org; Paul Prescod; Su-Laine Yeo > Subject: RE: [dita] Name attribute of object element > > Michael is out of the office this week, JoAnn. I'm confident > that if we start a log format on the Wiki, that he would want > to transfer any of his existing record-keeping to that > publicly-accessible page, and I would help him if necessary. > The larger action item would be for someone to review our > records for previously uncaptured mentions of bugs or updates. > > Did you have a format in mind? I thought that we might > structure the bug log area as if it were a reference topic, > using a titled section equivalent to indicate each subject > deliverable (1.0 arch spec, 1.0 lang spec, 1.0 DTDs/Schemas, > etc.), and a simpletable equivalent in each as the log form, > with columns for: > > assigned issue # > commenter > reported issue/date > owner > initial response > notes > resolution/date > pointers to drafts, correspondence, new content, etc.. > > Any additions or comments on this proposed log design? We > can confirm the design during our TC discussion about the Wiki. > > Regards, > -- > Don Day > Chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee > IBM Lead DITA Architect > Email: dond@us.ibm.com > 11501 Burnet Rd. MS9033E015, Austin TX 78758 > Phone: +1 512-838-8550 > T/L: 678-8550 > > "Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? > Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?" > --T.S. Eliot > > > > > "JoAnn Hackos" > > <joann.hackos@com > > tech-serv.com> > To > "Paul Prescod" > > 01/05/2006 10:59 > <paul.prescod@blastradius.com>, Don > AM Day/Austin/IBM@IBMUS > > > cc > > <dita@lists.oasis-open.org>, > "Su-Laine Yeo" > > > <su-laine.yeo@blastradius.com> > > Subject > RE: [dita] Name > attribute of object > element > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to see a log for required changes to the > specification. Is Michael already putting this together? > JoAnn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Prescod [mailto:paul.prescod@blastradius.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:16 AM > To: Don Day > Cc: dita@lists.oasis-open.org; Su-Laine Yeo > Subject: RE: [dita] Name attribute of object element > > Attributes like "tabindex" and "name" should be removed if > they do not fit into a larger DITA context that makes sense. > For example, with "name" the description is "Submit the > object as part of a form." But DITA has no forms capability > and no way to make the form that would surround the object. > So it seems to me that this attribute has no use case > whatsoever. The same holds for tabindex, which I believe is > also only relevant in a forms context. I am also not > confident that the "declare" attribute can be effectively > used from within DITA. > > In addition: Given that DITA is a multi-channel publishing > format, the meaning of each attribute should be defined > either in a platform-independent way or at least with respect > to print and online help formats. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Don Day [mailto:dond@us.ibm.com] > > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:27 AM > > To: Paul Prescod > > Cc: dita@lists.oasis-open.org; Su-Laine Yeo > > Subject: Re: [dita] Name attribute of object element > > > > As you note, I can vouch that the related object and param elements > > were borrowed literally from XHTML. There was no point in > reinventing > > yet another object description method since the XHTML model > > demonstrates reasonable functionality that many help > authors already > > understand. HTML attributes were retained to allow > passthrough of the > > setup data for end uses. The Required error was probably > copied from > > the W3C spec before the final values for DITA were adjusted. > > > > I agree that this is an edit change for the > commonLRdefs.dita file in > > the Language Spec. Editors, how shall we log and track > this and other > > minor edits we've come across? I plan to discuss the TC's Wiki on > > Tuesday--think about a log/response format we can use there. > > > > In processing, the content for this element (with some > modification to > > the description content, if present) flows literally into > XHTML. For > > FO output, the expectation is that this multimedia content is > > meaningless, and therefore elided in the original FO > transforms (which > > place an empty block for now). Authors who intend to print a topic > > that contains an object should consider providing alternate > content, > > selected conditionally. > > > > Regards, > > -- > > Don Day > > Chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee > > IBM Lead DITA Architect > > Email: dond@us.ibm.com > > 11501 Burnet Rd. MS9033E015, Austin TX 78758 > > Phone: +1 512-838-8550 > > T/L: 678-8550 > > > > "Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? > > Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?" > > --T.S. Eliot > > > > > > > > > > "Paul Prescod" > > > > <paul.prescod@bla > > > > stradius.com> > > To > > > > <dita@lists.oasis-open.org> > > 01/04/2006 08:51 > > cc > > PM "Su-Laine Yeo" > > > > > > <su-laine.yeo@blastradius.com> > > > > Subject > > [dita] Name > attribute of object > > element > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The DITA language reference[1] says: > > > > name | Submit the object as part of a form. | CDATA | > #REQUIRED | Yes > > > > [1] http://docs.oasis-open.org/dita/v1.0/langspec/object.html > > > > But the DTD does not say that it is required. > > > > Overall, the specification of the object tag does not seem to > > fit logically in with the rest of the DITA specification. I > > presume it is closely based upon the HTML tag of the same > > name? For example: what other elements have a "tabindex" > > attribute? Or an HTML-specific "name" > > attribute? > > > > Paul Prescod > > > > > > > > > > >
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