RE: [dita] Book title in bookmap

[Don Day <dond@us.ibm.com>]

I have to account for dependency issues in the bookmap proposal for the
"design complete" consideration.  Moving translateable attributes into
elements is an accepted goal for  DITA 1.2.  Since our 1.1 work includes
assessing other contingent proposals for completeness, I agree with the
suggestion to include just the map/title element proposal as part of DITA
1.1 so that bookmap can properly include this contingent change in its
complete proposal.

Regards,
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Don Day
Chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee
IBM Lead DITA Architect
Email: dond@us.ibm.com
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Hmf, reading further down the thread I see I answered in the middle... My
take is let's do the minimum now to get bookmap working in 1.1, and move
translatable attributes to elements in 1.2.


Best Regards,
Gershon


-----Original Message-----
From: Gershon L Joseph [mailto:gershon@tech-tav.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 4:42 PM
To: 'Farwell, Kevin'; 'Robert D Anderson'; dita@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [dita] Book title in bookmap

Since we want to minimize the changes needed for 1.1, I also vote for
option
1. Having elements for the map titles will also bring joy to those who
convert non-DITA XML documents to DITA (since the title attributes in the
map often inherit characters and markup that's not valid in XML
attributes).


Best Regards,
Gershon


-----Original Message-----
From: Farwell, Kevin [mailto:Kevin.Farwell@lionbridge.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:36 PM
To: Robert D Anderson; dita@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [dita] Book title in bookmap

Hello,

I'd vote for option 1. I'm not in favor of having any translatable content
in the book map. That just makes one more file to translate, one more place
to manage terminology, one more file to version, and one more place
mistakes
can be made. If the book file is only a collection of references to
external
content, the efficiency of the map is preserved.


The conflict is unavoidable. People using book maps now, with their titles
in attributes, will have to rework their files either way.

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert D Anderson [mailto:robander@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:09 PM
To: dita@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [dita] Book title in bookmap


Don and I were working on the bookmap DTD, and ran in to a problem. When we
originally put the proposal together, we were planning for one large
release
rather than the current 1.1 and 1.2 releases. As part of the design, we
counted on proposed feature number 11, which had already been
approved:
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/13734/IssueNumber11.ht
ml

This is the proposal to make translatable attributes into elements. One of
the items in that proposal is to add a <title> element to map, to be used
instead of the title attribute. The book model really needs this title
element in order to allow for more structured book titles, such as title +
library information. Unfortunately, feature #11 was moved to 1.2, so it
will
not be released with bookmap. I see three possibilities:
1. We force the title into the bookmeta element. This could work, but will
cause conflicts with the title element once 1.2 is released (and bookmap is
updated for the change).
2. We do that one part of #11 in 1.1 -- we just allow the title element
inside map. Leave the others for 1.2.
3. We let the 1.1 scope creep to include all of #11

I would vote for #2 - the partial implementation that brings the title
element into maps. Any other thoughts?

Robert D Anderson
IBM Authoring Tools Development
Chief Architect, DITA Open Toolkit
(507) 253-8787, T/L 553-8787