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Subject: RE: [dita] indexing question
The question raised in the Translation SC concerns the different requirements for handling indexterms in the prolog and indexterms in text using CAT software. Bruce Esrig's note defined the differences and asked us to consider using different element names for the different locations. Please refer to the clarification that Rodolfo Raya sent about the difference between a "breaking" element and an inline element for the discussion of this issue. JoAnn JoAnn T. Hackos, PhD President Comtech Services, Inc. 710 Kipling Street, Suite 400 Denver, CO 80215 303-232-7586 joann.hackos@comtech-serv.com joannhackos Skype www.comtech-serv.com -----Original Message----- From: Chris Wong [mailto:cwong@idiominc.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:19 AM To: Grosso, Paul; dita@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [dita] indexing question My proposal is the clarification that index ranges have no meaning within a topic prolog and should be ignored. Indexterms in a topic prolog basically point to the topic itself. That answers 1 and 2. 3 and 4 concern where we can put indexterms and do not pertain to index ranges: they are outside the scope of existing indexing proposals. I have no plans to submit a new proposal for this, but anyone else is welcome to do so. 5 and 6: an index range is just a range: any content between two index range markers constitute the index range. An index range starts where it starts and ends where it ends. That includes figures, part or whole paragraphs ... anything. That is the point of the index range marker, that it can express index ranges in a manner orthogonal of the XML structure. I don't see the ambiguity: why should anything NOT be in an index range if so delineated? 7: I'd answer "yes": that seems the obvious interpretation. An index range starts where it starts, and ends where it ends. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Grosso, Paul [mailto:pgrosso@ptc.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:27 AM To: dita@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [dita] indexing question > -----Original Message----- > From: Grosso, Paul [mailto:pgrosso@ptc.com] > Sent: Monday, 2006 July 10 14:25 > To: dita@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: RE: [dita] indexing question > > > From: Erik Hennum [ehennum@us.ibm.com] > > > > To follow up on the index range question, we had a fair bit of > > discussion about ranges last Fall. > > Yes, we had a fair bit of discussion and still missed several > important issues related to indexes. Scary, huh? Here are some indexing issues I think we still need to answer; apologies if some of Bruce's or Chris' or Erik's email have proposed answers to these questions that I either missed, did not understand, or did not feel we had consensus on. 1. What do index page ranges mean within the prolog element? It's best for both implementors and users when elements work the same way wherever they are allowed. So I think either index page ranges should mean what we say they mean, or they shouldn't be allowed there, e.g., in prologs. 2. What does an indexterm within the prolog mean? 3. Users want to be able to index words in titles and shortdesc. Are we going to allow this? 4. Are we going to allow indexterm within related-links? 5. Whereas a pointwise index term seems unambiguous--wherever it is, you index that--with ranges, you get into all sorts of questions about what is within the range. If you put a para within an index range and within that para is a figure callout and that figure ends up on another page, is that figure's page within the range or not? 6. What constitutes a start/end pair? Can you start an index range between two paragraphs and then end it in the middle of a paragraph? Our proposal says "Index ranges that start within a topic must end in the same topic, excluding nested topics." I assume that means an index range can start outside a (nested) topic and end either within that topic or a further nested topic, is that correct? 7. Regarding index page ranges specified within a map, can one start an index range before topicref A and then end an index range after topicref C where C is a child of A? JoAnn raised some other questions that I'm not sure I fully understood, but I'm not sure we have consensus answers to all of them either. paul
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