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Subject: RE: [dita] DITA Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: 31 October 2006


 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Sirois [mailto:esirois@ca.ibm.com] 
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:39 AM
> To: Don Day
> Cc: dita@lists.oasis-open.org; Grosso, Paul
> Subject: RE: [dita] DITA Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: 
> 31 October 2006
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Yas was seeking some clarification on the use of the class 
> attribute  in a foreign element specialization.  The 
> specialization method that we recommend folks using for DITA 
> 1.1 for incorporating foreign vocabularies is to have a 
> wrapper element to incorporates the namespaced foreign content.
> 
> Since the wrapper element is a specialization of <foreign> or 
> <unknown>, therefore a DITA element, it must a have a class 
> attribute ( <!ATTLIST svg class CDATA "+ topic/foreign 
> svg-d/svg " > ).  

> The elements defined within the foreign 
> vocabulary are non-DITA elements, so, there is no requirement 
> to have a class attribute for each of the elements.
> 

Including the previous statement into the foreign specialization topic
would be sufficient to clear up the whole issue.  Given that there's no
longer a reason to include a class attribute, the whole issue around
having qualified names in the class attribute is moot;  I would agree
that there's no longer a need to update the specialization samples.  


> Hopefully, adding a statement or paragraph in the foreign 
> content specialization topic explaining which elements 
> require a class attribute and those that do not is sufficient 
> for everyone.  As for updating the specialization samples in 
> the spec, I don't that is required. If someone disagrees, we 
> can discuss what info should be in the sample (adding some of 
> the normalized class attributes in the sample??)
> 
> Kind regards,
> Eric
> Eric A. Sirois
> Staff Software Developer
> DB2 Universal Database - Information Development DITA 
> Migration and Tools Development IBM Canada Ltd. - Toronto Software Lab
> Email: esirois@ca.ibm.com
> Blue Pages (Internal)
> 
> "Transparency and accessibility requirements dictate that 
> public information and government transactions avoid 
> depending on technologies that imply or impose a specific 
> product or platform on businesses or citizens" - EU on 
> XML-based office document formats.
> 
> 
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>              Don Day                                          
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>              11/07/2006 01:29          "Grosso, Paul" 
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>                                        RE: [dita] DITA 
> Technical Committee 
>                                        Meeting Minutes: 31 
> October 2006    
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> 
> I appreciate the suggestions about the IP selection process, 
> Paul.  Let's try the approach you suggest. And it need not 
> even be right away--we are just getting OASIS nag notices to 
> have our election done by April--plenty of time.
> 
> I'll summarize all the fleshed-out amendments to go with the 
> minutes when we review them next meeting.
> 
> For the action on the foreign element discussion, I propose 
> this amendment:
> 
> ACTION: Eric Sirois to provide an updated example and brief 
> discussion on using the class attribute with foreign 
> attributes; to be incorporated as an example into the spec 
> topic for the <foreign> element.
> 
> Regards,
> --
> Don Day
> Chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee
> IBM Lead DITA Architect
> Email: dond@us.ibm.com
> 11501 Burnet Rd. MS9033E015, Austin TX 78758
> Phone: +1 512-838-8550
> T/L: 678-8550
> 
> "Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge?
>  Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?"
>    --T.S. Eliot
> 
> 
> 
>              "Grosso, Paul"
>              <pgrosso@ptc.com>
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>              11/06/2006 06:24          <dita@lists.oasis-open.org>
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>      Subject
>                                        RE: [dita] DITA 
> Technical Committee
>                                        Meeting Minutes: 31 
> October 2006
> 
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> >
> >     3.  ITEM: Use of standardized prefixes when 
> incorporating foreign
> vocabularies
> >           *
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200610/msg00021.html
> >
> >           Yas: This feature is required for at least one editor.
> >
> >           Eric clarifies: The element after the slash (e.g.
> class="topic/p")
> >           should have a namespace prefixed to the p element in the
> class
> >           attribute.
> >
> >           General consensus: Handling of namespace 
> attributes in DITA
> requires
> >           some thought, and is already logged to be discussed in the
> future.
> >
> >           Yas asked for example of how to correctly incorporate
> foreign
> >           vocabulary on the list that we can then discuss 
> on the list.
> >
> >           Don summarizes: It's a documentation issues and 
> we just need
> to
> >           define an example of how to handle the class 
> attribute with
> foreign
> >           attributes. Therefore it's a non-issue for the TC.
> 
> What is the action item here?
> 
> If it's an issue at all, I'm unclear on how it is a non-issue 
> for the TC.  It might not be something we need to address in 
> the 1.1 spec, but if it's an issue, the TC needs to address 
> it, and there needs to be an action item.
> 
> >
> >     4.  ITEM: Versioning of DITA public identifiers
> >           *
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200610/msg00025.html
> >
> >           Paul G: Version and non-version specific versions of DTDs,
> with
> >           catalog used to locate the correct DTD.
> >
> >           Robert: TC needs to declare the public IDs to be used.
> 
> >           DECISION: Robert moves to change DITA version 
> attribute from
> text to
> >           data and to define version-specific IDs in the catalog.
> Scott
> >           seconds. No objections.
> 
> 
> Clarification to the minutes:
> 
> Instead of "from text to data", we are removing the "#FIXED"
> indication from the (already CDATA) DITAArchVersion attribute.
> 
> More precisely, I'd phrase the decision as follows:
> 
> DECISION: Robert moves to remove the "#FIXED" indication from 
> the DITAArchVersion attribute and to include version-specific 
> FPIs (formal public identifiers) in the catalog. Scott 
> seconds. No objections.
> 
> 
> >
> >     8.  ITEM: IPR Transition
> >           *
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200610/msg00075.html
> >                        (request from  Mary McRae)
> >
> >           To be discussed next meeting.
> >
> >           Don: We're leaning towards royalty free options. 
> We need to
> make our
> >           decision shortly. We'll have extended discussion next
> meeting.
> 
> 
> I object to having an extended discussion of this during the telcon.
> 
> I would much prefer to spend TC telcon time working on the 
> technical DITA 1.1 issues.
> 
> I would like to propose (and I will so move at the beginning 
> of the telcon) that we open the IPR transition issue by 
> asking if there are any objections to going with OASIS' 
> standard RF option (as the DocBook TC and others have done).
> 
> If there are objections, those objecting can start an email 
> discussion about it.
> 
> If there are no objections, we can task someone (Don?) to 
> draft the necessary documents offline, and then we can vote on them.
> 
> There is nothing I'd like to avoid more than wasting telcon 
> time talking about IP issues.
> 
> paul
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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