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Subject: DITA Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: 4 September 2007
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DITA Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: 4 September 2007
Chaired by Don Day
Recorded by Gershon Joseph <gershon@tech-tav.com>
The DITA Technical Committee met on Tuesday, 4 September 2007 at 08:00am PT
for 60 minutes.
1. Roll call
We have quorum.
2. Approve minutes from previous business meeting:
* http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/25141/DITATCMeetingMinutes070828.txt (28 August 2007)
Accepted by acclamation.
3. Business:
1. ITEM: Prepared proposals:
1. Revisit #12055 - Define Map Referencing Behaviors (Anderson)
* http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/24910/IssueNumber12055.html
* http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200708/msg00112.html (Robert's request for input)
Continue discussions on the list. Revisit next week.
ACTION: Robert to send another note to the list to be sure we'll make
progress on this item.
2. Revisit #12008 - vocabulary and integration constraints (Hennum)
* http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200708/msg00096.html (update, Hennum)
* http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200708/msg00103.html (Hennum response to Pickett)
EH: We should discuss this item with #12010, since they are related.
RA: We need to be sure generalization is well thought out and documented
too, not only specialization constraints.
EH: That's towards the end of the proposal (bulleted item).
Don asked everyone to review. Revisit next week with #12010.
3. Revisit #12035 - generic collation element (Pickett)
* http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200708/msg00080.html (update, Pickett)
* http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200708/msg00108.html (Eliot's rollup of discussions)
EK summarized the main points that came out of the conf call.
Some debate between PG and EK on how much of the discussion language
should make it into the proposal. PG prefers to not obligate processors
to use the new element, while DP and EK feel they should.
Continue discussing on-list to work towards a new proposal.
4. Status on #12020 - Allow easy reuse of small pieces of text
* awaiting re-summarization of divergent threads (MP, Doherty)
SD: We do have a proposal from DITA 1.1, focused on keyword nesting.
When we moved this to 1.2, the scope of focus became more general beyond
keyword nesting to the reuse of small bits of text from anywhere to
anywhere. DP has been writing comments beyond the scope of the original
focus. Suggest breaking this up into 2 items:
1. Existing proposal from 1.1 that addresses <keyword> nesting.
2. New proposal for reusing text anywhere that maybe DP could write up.
MP is worried that introducing <text> means the lowest level of reuse
in DITA will have no semantics. When people start specializing, it's
likely to get out of hand, e.g. specializing <text> inside <ph> that
has no real semantics. Maybe by allowing nesting of <keyref> we could
achieve what they need, though the trade-off would be uncontrolled
element nesting (leading to poor usability).
Don wonders whether <text> should be allowed but not allow it to be
specialized in order to address these concerns.
MP: Exceptions in the architecture create their own confusion with users.
EK: One of the reasons for this proposal is because <ph> is not allowed
in every place text (#PCDATA) is allowed.
Discussion on whether <keyword> would be suitable instead of <ph>.
MP suggested adding <text> but restrict its use to only inside <keyword>
and <ph>. This allows a portion of a keyword or phrase to be reused
without the negative side effects that have been raised.
EK: We need to scan the declarations to be sure that every place #PCDATA
is allowed also allows either <keyword> or <ph>.
Summary: Proposal boils down to allowing new <text> element in <keyword>
and <ph> and any specializations thereof.
ACTION: SD to summarize our discussion and post to the list, for further
discussion on-list.
Revisit next week.
5. New: #12010 - unify topics and domains (Hennum)
* http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200709/msg00000.html (proposal)
EH requested this item be deferred to next week.
2. Reminder: 1 week left to review and add to Translation SC Acronym requirements:
* http://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/AcronymRequirements
Don reminded the TC members to review and comment on the requirements before
next meeting.
3. Revisit ITEM: DITA 1.1 errata collection
* Any more? How soon to close on a 1.1.1 patch update?
* http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200708/msg00094.html
* http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200708/msg00095.html
Discussion on whether we should put out an official 1.1.1 or just document this
on an errata page.
ACTION: RA to create an errata page, then Don will update the TC public
homepage to point to the errata page.
5. Announcements/Opens
1. DITA in Second Life meeting tonight, see notice in dita-users.
--Meeting adjourned at 09:00 PT--
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