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Subject: DITA Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: 11 December 2007


Hi all,

1. Please review the pending proposals for design-approved vote next week (copied into this email for your convenience)

2. The TC requested we reserve a 2-hour block for next week in case we need it to get through all the votes and all the open items that need to be closed next meeting.

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PENDING VOTES

The following items will be voted upon at the next TC meeting:

1. #12007 - Indirect reference/keyref proposal
   http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26365/IssueNumber1207v7a.html

2. #12031 - Discussion on Controlled values, #collection-type enumerations and glossaries
   http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26359/IssueControlledValues12031.html

3. #12047 - add convenience elements for composing maps that set attribute defaults
   http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26129/IssueMapConveniences12047.html

4. #12014 - Delayed conref resolution
   http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200712/msg00003.html

5. #12015 - Conref Push
   http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200712/msg00005.html

6. #12043 - allow draft-comment in more places
   http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26378/IssueNumber12043.html

7. #12050a - longdescref, scope, etc
   http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26373/IssueNumber12050a.html

8. #12060 - verbatim inclusion of text
   http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26374/IssueNumber12060.html
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Gershon L Joseph
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DITA Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: 11 December 2007

Chaired by Don Day <dond@us.ibm.com>
Minutes by Gershon Joseph <gershon@tech-tav.com>

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PENDING VOTES

The following items will be voted upon at the next TC meeting:

1. #12007 - Indirect reference/keyref proposal
   http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26365/IssueNumber1207v7a.html

2. #12031 - Discussion on Controlled values, #collection-type enumerations and glossaries
   http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26359/IssueControlledValues12031.html

3. #12047 - add convenience elements for composing maps that set attribute defaults
   http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26129/IssueMapConveniences12047.html

4. #12014 - Delayed conref resolution
   http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200712/msg00003.html

5. #12015 - Conref Push
   http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200712/msg00005.html

6. #12043 - allow draft-comment in more places
   http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26378/IssueNumber12043.html

7. #12050a - longdescref, scope, etc
   http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26373/IssueNumber12050a.html

8. #12060 - verbatim inclusion of text
   http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26374/IssueNumber12060.html
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The DITA Technical Committee met on Tuesday, 11 December 2007 at 08:00am PT for
120 minutes.

1.  Roll call

    We have quorum.

2.  Approve minutes from previous business meeting: 
    * http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200712/msg00009.html (4 Dec 2007)

    Accepted by acclamation.

3.  Business:

    1.  ITEM: Proposals for Design Approval vote:

        1.  None

    2.  ITEM: Review prepared proposals:

        1.  Check status of ITEM: #12011 - Generic Task Type (Houser)
            * http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200711/msg00005.html
            * http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200711/msg00046.html (Houser follow up)

            Alan sent the revised content models to the list shortly before the 
            TC meeting started. Defer discussions to end of today's meeting.

            [Gershon: Don, remember to add this item to next meeting's agenda]

        2.  ITEM: #12007 - Indirect reference/keyref proposal (Ogden et al.)
            * http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26365/IssueNumber1207v7a.html

            Jeff: We posted the most recent draft of the proposal a few days ago.
            The idea is to allow map authors to be able to override references 
            or text in topics. In order to use this feature, authors must have 
            set up their topics using key references. Map authors define keys 
            (or key names) and associate it to a resource...

            Michael: It effectively lets you add an href almost everywhere, even 
            where the element does not have @href.

            Jeff mentioned other use cases documented in the proposal. The most 
            common use case is to override content in topics.

            DECISION: The TC accepted proposal #12007 for vote next meeting.

        3.  ITEM: #12031 - Discussion on Controlled values, #collection-type enumerations and glossaries
            * http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26359/IssueControlledValues12031.html

            Don asked Erik whether we can consider this proposal now that the TC
            has accepted the keyref proposal for vote.

            Erik: I've changed the binding mechanism so that we can bind to 
            specific attributes and elements, instead of specific global 
            attributes. Also changed the declaration of the set of controlled 
            values to be a reference to a map instead of being defined in a 
            catalog. Other change was to add a labelling element subject to 
            a labeled groups of controlled values.
            The purpose of the proposal is to define an enumeration of values 
            but scale up to taxonomy etc. for users who need that.

            Erik clarified that this proposal has no dependency on the 
            enumerations proposal (#12022).

            Erik suggested we vote on this one after the keyref proposal has been 
            voted in as design-approved.

            The TC will consider this proposal for voting next week on condition
            the keyref proposal is voted in next week; if keyref is not voted in 
            next week, this proposal will be dropped from DITA 1.2.

            DECISION: The TC accepted proposal #12031 for vote next meeting, 
            provided the keyref proposal gets voted in.
            
        4.  ITEM #12047 - add convenience elements for composing maps that set attribute defaults (Hennum, Kimber, et al.)
            * http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26129/IssueMapConveniences12047.html
            * http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200711/msg00028.html (related update)

            Erik: Basic notion is to add some conveniences for things you can do 
            with attributes within a map. Users are commonly aggregating maps, so 
            this part of the proposal is understood. The part that needs to be
            understood is the notion of a topic set, which works as follows:
            1) Define branch with topicset.
            2) Then reuse with topicsetref (pull mode).
               anchorref is push mode.
            This is similar to map aggregation, but more fine-grained for 
            assembling maps.

            DECISION: The TC accepted proposal #12047 for vote next meeting.

        5.  ITEM: #12014 - Delayed conref resolution (Priestley)
            * http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200712/msg00003.html

            Michael: If you have a delivery format that allows for reuse of 
            fragments at display time, the way to communicate with that delivery 
            format will be resolved by user versus resolved by the display 
            architecture. Use case is Eclipse. Define sets of reuse 
            relationships that are resolved at display time instead of at 
            publishing/rendering time...
            Clarification: For this release, the proposal applies to topics, not 
            to maps (since we didn't consider circular relations).
            Discussion...

            The TC accepted proposal #12014 for vote next meeting.
            
        6.  ITEM: #12015 - Conref Push (Priestley)
            * http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200712/msg00005.html

            Michael: If you have a common component that is reused across multiple
            deliverables and it has a common install path. Rather than having the 
            common install path list the installation steps for every single 
            component, if we let the other components say we're adding an install 
            step, then we push the common install step into the component. So 
            it's all managed by the other components, not the common component. 
            You don't need to rebuild the common component every time a new 
            component gets installed.
            Technical requirements: New attribute with 4 values to determine how 
            we pull or push...
            
            Discussion...
            
            ACTION: Erik to change @mark to @push-mark.

            The TC accepted proposal #12015 for vote next meeting, with changes
            marked as ACTION.

        7.  ITEM: #12022 - make @role (and other enumerated attributes) unenumerated
            * http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200712/msg00023.html (kimber contributions)
            * http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200712/msg00028.html (ogden questions)

            Erik summarized the rationale for the proposal: It boils down to a 
            decision on which attributes to open up and which ones should not be 
            opened up. Eliot's email lists the enumerations that should be 
            handled via controlled values and listed @collection-type as an 
            open issue.

            Discussion...

            Don: There is still room for a more refined proposal. Suggested Eliot 
            convenes an off-line meeting to resolve issues and home in on a 
            proposal.

            Michael: It should not take much more discussion to close this off. 
            Suggested if we get a revised proposal towards the end of this week 
            we can still vote on it next week.

            The idea is to reduce the impact, and still remove the enumerations 
            that probably should never have been in the spec in the first place.

            ACTION: Eliot to have an offline meeting and drive to a revised 
            proposal by Friday. If that happens, we'll include this for vote 
            next meeting. if not we'll drop this proposal for 1.2.

        8.  ITEM: #12043 - allow draft-comment in more places
            * http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26378/IssueNumber12043.html (proposal)
            * http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200712/msg00026.html (ogden question)

            Robert: Added <draft-comment> to <body>, <shortdesc> and <conbody>.

            JoAnn: We feel it's important to have <draft-comment> in <title> 
            because there are often changes to titles. 

            Michael: If we do add it to <title>, would you expect it to show up 
            in the outputs?

            JoAnn: No.

            Paul suggested it's a style issue.

            Others felt it's a DITA behavior definition and not a style issue.

            Paul: Commenting on title is sort-of metadata. Perhaps that would be 
            a better approach in the future.

            JoAnn: Usually draft comments indicate to authors what we expect 
            them to do.

            The TC decided to keep Robert's proposal for DITA 1.2 scope and note 
            the need to consider <draft-comment> in <title> in DITA 1.3.

            The TC accepted proposal #12043 for vote next meeting.

        9.  ITEM: #12050a - longdescref, scope, etc
            * http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26373/IssueNumber12050a.html (priestley)

            Michael: This lets you reference a longdesc with more than just the 
            @href, but get the full set of attributes to get a real full 
            reference behavior. Similar model to xref, but it does not contain 
            text. It's more a "go to here to get text".

            DECISION: The TC accepted proposal #12050a for vote next meeting.

        10. ITEM: #12060 - verbatim inclusion of text
            * http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26374/IssueNumber12060.html (priestley)
            * http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200712/msg00024.html (kimber question)

            Michael: Added a new element to the programming domain that lets you 
            populate <codeblock> with text from an external file. Modeled after 
            <xref>. Similar to <longdescref>.

            DECISION: The TC accepted proposal #12060 for vote next meeting.

        11. ITEM: #12038 - Acronym proposal
            * http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26361/IssueNumbe12038.html
            * http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200712/msg00015.html (grosso)
            * http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200712/msg00018.html (pickett)
            * http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200712/msg00022.html (hennum)
            * http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200712/msg00027.html (ogden)

            JoAnn: The original purpose is a mechanism to deal with conref of 
            acronyms and their expansion forms. The Translation SC has worked 
            for 6 months to come up with an effective proposal. Concern is the 
            potential misuse of conrefs in translation of acronyms, which is 
            carefully described in the proposal...
            Defining practice in both print and online output.
            Introduced surface form to allow acronym lists that can be accessed 
            to build terminology database for translation.

            Erik suggested merging this proposal with the glossary proposal. 
            Some discussion...

            Robert: By using <term> with @keyref to glossentry we can use the 
            expansion defined in the proposal and authors don't need the conref.

            Further discussion...

            ACTION: Gershon to take the following discussions to the list:
            * Need to expand how application identifies first occurrence of an
              acronym?
            * Check merging acronyms into glossary
            * Check using keyref instead of conref

            Running out of time. Michael suggested we pick up here next week and 
            vote on them the following week. The TC requested a 2-hour meeting
            next week in case we need it. Gershon mentioned he probably won't
            be able to make the second hour and we'll need a scribe to record
            the second hour's minutes.

--Out of time. Meeting adjourned.--

        12. ITEM: #12024 - Hazard Statement Domain
            * http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26390/IssueNumber12024.html



        13. ITEM: #12040 - Machine Industry Task type
            * http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26165/IssueNumber12040.html


    4.  Ongoing: Review of "Items for discussion" list in the Frontage
        * How much flexibility for specializers? 

        (per Gershon's suggestion, we'll discuss the 2-implementations rule next agenda)

4.  Announcements/Opens


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