RE: [dita] Question about DITA 1.2 item 12021

["Grosso, Paul" <pgrosso@ptc.com>]

OK, I may have been hasty.  I'm still unclear on just
what is being proposed.

What I don't want to allow is something like:

<section>
...
</section>
<sectiondiv>
<section>
...
</section>
</sectiondiv> 
<section>
...
</section>

(with or without the final section) where what are
presumably section 1, 2, and 3 aren't siblings.

paul 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert D Anderson [mailto:robander@us.ibm.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 2008 April 09 12:23
> To: Grosso, Paul
> Cc: dita@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [dita] Question about DITA 1.2 item 12021
> 
> Hi Paul -
> 
> > I would think we should allow either sections or
> > sectiondivs, but not a mix of both in any context.
> 
> I think that is already the case. The sectiondiv element 
> defines a block
> within section, and only goes within sections or within 
> itself. My question
> about where to allow it is only about whether to allow it in 
> the existing
> section specializations:
> refsyn, context, prereq, postreq, result, process
> 
> Similarly, bodydiv defines a block within a body, and goes 
> within body or
> within itself. My question about that in specializations is 
> whether or how
> to allow it in conbody. Currently, Eliot's suggestion of 
> conbodydiv (which
> sticks to the current conbody model) makes sense to me.
> 
> > Given such broad issues, it makes me wonder if this
> > proposal is well enough baked to go into dita 1.2.
> 
> I don't think these are very broad - the elements themselves have been
> pretty well thought out and defined, it's just the cascade down to
> specializations which needs to be made explicit.
> 
> Robert D Anderson
> IBM Authoring Tools Development
> Chief Architect, DITA Open Toolkit
> (507) 253-8787, T/L 553-8787 (Good Monday & Thursday)
> 
> "Grosso, Paul" <pgrosso@ptc.com> wrote on 04/09/2008 12:02:27 PM:
> 
> > As mentioned further in this thread, I wouldn't want
> > to be able to have some sections in a bodydiv or
> > sectiondiv and others not.  It would make it almost
> > impossible to number such sections, for example.
> >
> > I would think we should allow either sections or
> > sectiondivs, but not a mix of both in any context.
> >
> > Similarly with bodydiv.
> >
> > Given such broad issues, it makes me wonder if this
> > proposal is well enough baked to go into dita 1.2.
> >
> > paul
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Eliot Kimber [mailto:ekimber@reallysi.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 2008 April 09 11:08
> > > To: Robert D Anderson
> > > Cc: dita@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Subject: Re: [dita] Question about DITA 1.2 item 12021
> > >
> > > Robert D Anderson wrote:
> > >
> > > > 2) The attributes for sectiondiv and bodydiv are not
> > > described. I plan to
> > > > use univ-atts and outputclass.
> > >
> > > That seems appropriate to me.
> > >
> > > > 3) Should bodydiv be added to the content model for conbody
> > > or refbody? If
> > > > added to conbody, should it be available only at the 
> end, mixed with
> > > > sections and examples? Currently, sections and examples can
> > > only be used at
> > > > the end of conbody. I plan to leave bodydiv out of these
> > > models unless I
> > > > hear otherwise.
> > >
> > > I would certainly expect bodydiv to be available anywhere
> > > within body,
> > > not just where section is allowed, since it is not necessarily
> > > structural in the sense that section is, but may be used to
> > > simply group
> > > things for some purpose specific to a given author or 
> specialization.
> > >
> > > > 4) Should sectiondiv be added to the content model of
> > > refsyn or the various
> > > > section specializations in task? That seems logical, but I
> > > have not added
> > > > it yet because I am not instructed to do so in the
> > > proposal. If it is added
> > > > to the "section.cnt" and "section.notitle.cnt" 
> entities, which seems
> > > > correct, this will happen by default. That would also 
> mean changing
> > > > <example> to use its own entity, rather than reusing 
> section.cnt.
> > >
> > > Again, I would expect sectiondiv to be available within any
> > > specialization of section where it wasn't obviously inappropriate
> > > (because the section specialization was very highly 
> specialized, for
> > > example).
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Eliot
> > >
> > > --
> > > Eliot Kimber
> > > Senior Solutions Architect
> > > "Bringing Strategy, Content, and Technology Together"
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> > >
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