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Subject: Re: [dita] Proposal: Domain for Japanese ruby markup ala HTML5


Hi,
Eliot, could you put together a rationale for adding Ruby support that we
can present to the Translation SC? I have your original email to the DITA
TC but what I need is why this is valuable for the entire DITA community.
The SC didn't think that was true when we were reviewing DITA 1.2
proposals.

Thanks,
JoAnn

JoAnn T. Hackos, PhD
President
Comtech Services Inc.
710 Kipling Street, Suite 400
Denver, CO 80215
Joann.hackos@comtech-serv.com
303-232-7586







On 2/1/12 3:06 PM, "Rodolfo M. Raya" <rmraya@maxprograms.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>It would be indeed interesting to pass the new proposal to the Translation
>SC for analysis.
>
>Is there anything really different in the new proposal for adding Ruby
>support? What has changed that could make the Translation SC change its
>opinion?
>
>Regards,
>Rodolfo
>--
>Rodolfo M. Raya       rmraya@maxprograms.com
>Maxprograms       http://www.maxprograms.com
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dita@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:dita@lists.oasis-open.org] On
>Behalf
>> Of JoAnn Hackos
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:14 PM
>> To: Eliot Kimber; Richard Hamilton
>> Cc: DITA TC
>> Subject: Re: [dita] Proposal: Domain for Japanese ruby markup ala HTML5
>> 
>> I think this proposal needs to be discussed by the Translation SC. Let's
>see if
>> we can reconvene it. We considered Ruby markup for DITA 1.2 and decided
>> against recommending it. I don't know if the members of the SC think
>> differently today.
>> 
>> JoAnn
>> 
>> JoAnn T. Hackos, PhD
>> President
>> Comtech Services Inc.
>> 710 Kipling Street, Suite 400
>> Denver, CO 80215
>> Joann.hackos@comtech-serv.com
>> 303-232-7586
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/25/12 10:21 PM, "Eliot Kimber" <ekimber@reallysi.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >Good point--the markup is primarily driven by Japanese requirements but
>> >it is not unique to Japanese typography as you say.
>> >
>> >Cheers,
>> >
>> >E.
>> >
>> >On 1/25/12 11:18 PM, "Richard Hamilton" <hamilton@xmlpress.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Eliot,
>> >>
>> >> I agree that it probably should be a domain, for the reasons you
>> >>describe.
>> >> However, there are other languages where a phonetic "ruby" could be
>> >>useful.
>> >> I've seen the same kind of thing in Chinese texts (mostly in language
>> >>learning  aids), and I'm sure there are other uses.
>> >>
>> >> So, I would suggest that any specification description not imply that
>> >>usage is  limited to Japanese.
>> >>
>> >> Best Regards,
>> >> Richard
>> >> -------
>> >> XML Press
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>> >>
>> >> On Jan 25, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Eliot Kimber wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> HTML5 provides an improved version of HTML 4's <ruby> markup, which
>> >>>is  required for Japanese-language documents that include kanji
>> >>>(ideographic)
>> >>> characters.
>> >>>
>> >>> In Japanese, the pronunciation of ideographic characters cannot
>> >>>always (or
>> >>> often) be known from context. The ideographic characters are
>> >>>annotated with  their phonetic transliteration, a "ruby", which is
>> >>>rendered above or beside  or following the ideographs. This is
>> >>>standard Japanese typography.
>> >>>
>> >>> In the context of the DITA for Publishers vocabulary I have defined
>> >>>a direct  copy of the HTML5 markup design, e.g.:
>> >>>
>> >>> <p> 探険船シビリアコフ号の北氷洋航海中に撮影されたエピソ
>> ード映画の中に、一頭
>> >>> の<ruby>
>> >>> <rb>白熊</rb>
>> >>> <rp>(</rp>
>> >>> <rt>しろくま</rt>
>> >>> <rp>)</rp>
>> >>> </ruby>を射殺し、その子を生け捕る光景が記録されている。
>> </p>
>> >>>
>> >>> Implementing this for HTML output is trivial--just copy to output.
>> >>>For PDF  it's a little more work but can be done in XSL-FO.
>> >>>
>> >>> <ruby> and its ruby-specific subelements are specializations of
>><ph>.
>> >>>
>> >>> I am proposing this as a new domain simply to keep the vocabulary
>> >>>isolated  so that non-Japanese-language documents need not include
>> >>>this markup.
>> >>>But it
>> >>> would equally appropriate to add it to the DITA base vocabulary as
>> >>>well.
>> >>>
>> >>> The Ruby markup works as expected in most modern browsers and in at
>> >>>least  iBooks for EPUB. I have not tested on Kindle Fire.
>> >>>
>> >>> The HTML5 specification for <ruby> is here:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-ruby-element
>> >>>
>> >>> The D4P vocabulary module and HTML implementation for the Open
>> >>>Toolkit is  available as part of the DITA for Publishers package,
>> >>>dita4publishers.sourceforge.net.
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>>
>> >>> Eliot
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Eliot Kimber
>> >>> Senior Solutions Architect
>> >>> "Bringing Strategy, Content, and Technology Together"
>> >>> Main: 512.554.9368
>> >>> www.reallysi.com
>> >>> www.rsuitecms.com
>> >>>
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>> >
>> >--
>> >Eliot Kimber
>> >Senior Solutions Architect
>> >"Bringing Strategy, Content, and Technology Together"
>> >Main: 512.554.9368
>> >www.reallysi.com
>> >www.rsuitecms.com
>> >
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