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Subject: RE: [dita] Those XML mention names
I'm always happy to see nested acronyms. FWIW, I don't really have any objections to the new syntax either. I mostly mentioned George's input in case the possibility of keeping "xml" resonated with anybody. But I think the risk is clear and present enough. mag -----Original Message----- From: dita@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:dita@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Kristen James Eberlein Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 2:40 PM To: dita@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [dita] Those XML mention names What Dick and Eliot said :) I also became comfortable with the aesthetics of the "xm-" prefix, once I read it a x(ml)m(ention). Best, Kris Kristen James Eberlein Chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee Principal consultant, Eberlein Consulting www.eberleinconsulting.com +1 919 682-2290; kriseberlein (skype) On 8/19/2014 5:28 PM, Eliot Kimber wrote: > I have to agree with Dick: the letter of the XML spec is clear and I think > we have to adhere to it. At a minimum, not doing so would put the whole > DITA 1.3 schedule at serious risk since it would only take one reviewer to > make a stink for us to have to change. > > It's certainly my fault for not having remembered (or noticed > subsequently) this constraint in the XML spec, but at least we noticed it > now while it's relatively easy to change. > > Cheers, > > E. > ————— > Eliot Kimber, Owner > Contrext, LLC > http://contrext.com > > > > > On 8/19/14, 4:21 PM, "Richard Hamilton" <hamilton@xmlpress.net> wrote: > >> Hi Tom, >> >> Interesting information from George, and a reasonable interpretation. >> >> I would argue against using xml in these names. While the risk may be >> low, the consequences would be pretty bad if W3C decided to use one of >> those names. I would also argue that "reserved" is for all practical >> purposes "invalid" for anyone except W3C. >> >> Best regards, >> Dick >> ------- >> XML Press >> XML for Technical Communicators >> http://xmlpress.net >> hamilton@xmlpress.net >> >> >> >> On Aug 19, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Tom Magliery <tom.magliery@justsystems.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I mentioned to George Bina our discovery about the element names in the >>> XML-mention domain. Mostly I was just expressing my surprise that no one >>> of us had noticed before, presumably because no tools flagged those >>> element names as being any kind of problem in a DTD. I confirmed for >>> myself (both in and outside of DITA) that XMetaL certainly doesn't, and >>> George confirmed that oXygen doesn't either. He thought that some >>> earlier versions of Xerces might have given warnings. >>> >>> He raised a good point about why this is correct behaviour for the >>> tools: The spec doesn't say that these names are invalid, just that >>> they're reserved for future W3C use. If W3C were to use such names in a >>> DTD someday, we wouldn't want our tools rejecting their DTDs. >>> >>> He also suggested (and I agree) that our decision to use/not use these >>> names is therefore a risk/benefit analysis: What is the risk, should we >>> decide to use the names "xmlelement", "xmlatt", etc., that W3C would >>> come along one day and declare that the names are going to serve some >>> official, other purpose? >>> >>> Maybe we should weigh that against the aesthetics of these names >>> compared with the "xm-" versions, before we make our final decision. >>> >>> mag >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >> generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: >> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php
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