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Subject: Re: [dita] Groups - DITA TC Meeting Minutes 28 October 2014 uploaded


My action items have been completed. The generated DTDs in SVN now reflect
the @longdescre and "tree" for @collection-type special cases.

Cheers,

E.
—————
Eliot Kimber, Owner
Contrext, LLC
http://contrext.com




On 10/29/14, 9:57 PM, "Nancy Harrison"
<nharrison@infobridge-solutions.com> wrote:

>        Submitter's message
>        ActionItem:
>Eliot will update RNG and transforms to implement the TC's decisions on
>maintaining backwards compatibility wrt @longdescre in 'object' and
>@collection-type="tree" in linklist/linkpool within base topic module.
>see 
>https://trello.com/c/JM3CYsFR/12-fix-bug-in-definition-of-collection-type-
>in-dtd
>and  https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201401/msg00037.html for
>more detail.
>
>=================================================
>Minutes of the OASIS DITA TC
>Tuesday, 28 October 2014
>Recorded by Nancy Harrison
>link to agenda for this meeting:
>https://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/PreviousAgendas
>
>
>Regrets:  none
>
>
>Standing Business
>=================
>Approve minutes from previous business meetings:
>https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00186.html (21
>October, Nancy Harrison)
>Proposed by Kris, seconded by Don, approved by TC
>
>
>Subcommittee Reports
>	none
>	Help SC: scheduled for 4 Nov.
>
>
>Announcements
>	none
>	18 Nov. TC meeting cancelled (too many members at DITA Europe)
>	4 Nov, 11 Nov, regrets from Nancy, Dick will do minutes
>
>
>Business
>========
>1. DITA 1.3 progress
>    Second spec review (Eberlein & Anderson)
>    Transformation utilities and DITA 1.3 grammar files (Kimber)
>[see specific agenda items below]
>
>2. Action items
>   - Action items from 26 August 2014:
>        Nancy will review specialization and constraints topics, with the
>purpose of: a) suggesting placement for new topic or content chunk, b)
>reviewing for clarity, organization, technical accuracy. This is in
>regard to content re limitations of XSD shells and constraints. (Waiting
>on Kris to generate new versions of spec, which was done 7 October 2014)
>Nancy; currently working on above topics; will continue and provide
>feedback by Thurs 30 Oct.
>   - Action items from 2 September:
>        Stan to assess Front Page wiki for possible clean-up
>Stan; will complete this by end of week (Fri.)
>
>
>3. 2nd spec review progress: 13 - 27 October 2014
>   - https://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/1.3-spec-review-#preview
>    Wiki page contains:
>        Download link for official review draft
>        Review objectives
>        Tracking tables for review assignments
>        Information about prizes (yet to be determined)
>   - Review stats as of 7:30 AM ET, 28 October 2014:
>        https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00188.html
>
>Kris; we've gotten a lot of good reviews, will give everyone another few
>days [thru Friday], except for Eliot, who's already provided a huge
>number of comments.
>Robert; the number of Eliot's comments have pushed our review date out.
>we really need reviews by folks other than Eliot, especially around keys;
>i.e., we need reviews from people who don't know keys so well.
>Kris; we will need another round of review for key-based comments, which
>Robert, ChrisN, and I will then need to go over.
>Robert; that second round will have to include getting rid of extra
>verbiage, even if its nice...
>[there were offers from various TC members to help with review, which
>Kris and Robert declined.]
>Seth; should folks try to implement Eliot's non-technical comments?
>Joann; what do you want done?
>Robert,Kris; not sure yet; DITAweb is great for collecting comments, but
>not so good at helping to integrate them.
>[discussion of how complete and how 'perfect' the 1.3 spec needs to be]
>Stan; I'd be glad to help with putting in small edits.
>Kris; we really need to get this spec out; it's already very far past our
>original dates.
>
>   - Proposal owners' review
>        Table of proposal owner reviews
>Kris; all owners have done their reviews, which is very good.
>
>
>4. Trello items: Spec clarification and improvements
>    
>https://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/1.3-spec-review-#trello-spec-clarificatio
>ns 
>
>
>5. DITA MIME type 
>    https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00159.html
>(Hunt, 24 October 2014)
>    https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00164.html
>(Anderson, 24 October 2014)
>    https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00166.html
>(Robin Cover, 24 October 2014)
>Robert gave an overview; I was editing non-normative sections in the
>spec; the 1.2 spec says that we're setting up a DITA mime type and that
>it's final. For the time being, I'm commenting it out of spec.  Unless
>someone is actively pursuing it, shouldn't be any mention of it in spec;
>we can still pursue it.  I talked to JohnH about it; he said they (Web
>SC) would look into it.
>Kris; I support commenting it out.  Robin Cover responded and said OASIS
>would work on it, but we'd still need to have a TC member own this.  I'll
>send email to Scott Hudson since he was interested, but if he can't do
>it, we'll let Robin know we're not doing it for now.
>
>
>6. Statements of use for DITA 1.3
>    https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00114.html
>(Eberlein, 20 October 2014)
>    Eliot: Clients use learning2, MathML, and XML mention domain
>    Eberlein: Clients use XML mention & updated highlighting domain;
>DITAVALref
>    Troubleshooting topic: In use by Avaya, GE, and Skyward
>    Troubleshooting topic: Planned to be used by Ericsson and various
>Japanese companies
>Kris; we need some more of these; I'll send out Chet Ensign's full
>description of these, to help in getting good ones.
>Joann; we're working on getting a few others.
>Seth; at Freescle, we're using 1.3, but we've removed a lot of the 1.3
>functionality, so it's more like 1.2.
>Don; are you using constraints a la 1.3?
>Seth; I'll check that.
>
>
>7. Reminder about OASIS process for DITA 1.3 / Length of time required
>    
>https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00114/Planning-DITA-1
>.3.pdf 
>Kris; all TC members please review this; I will be discussing with Robert
>the possibility of how to get back on track wrt our schedule.
>
>
>8. Continued item: Issues in DTDs checked into SVN --
>  New e-mail (since 21 Oct)
>    - DTD and XSD Generation Testing: Exemplars (Kimber, 22 October 2014)
>        https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00145.html
>    - Entity definition comparison between legacy 1.2 DTDs and
>RNG-sourced 1.2 DTDs (Thomas, 23 October 2014)
>        https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00146.html
>    - Commit of Interim Generated DTDs and XSDs (Kimber, 23 October 2014)
>        https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00148.html
>  Old e-mail discussed at 21 Oct. TC meeting
>        https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00110.html
>(Anderson, 20 October 2014)
>        https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00111.html
>(Kimber, 20 October 2014)
>        https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00112.html
>(Anderson, 20 October 2014)
>        https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00113.html
>(Eberlein, 20 October 2014)
>        https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00115.html
>(Anderson, 20 October 2014)
>        https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00116.html
>(Kimber, 20 October 2014)
>
>
>Bob; I didn't find all that many problemsin my entity definition
>comparison.
>Kris; Eliot, have you been able to fix the problems Bob found?
>Eliot; I think so
>Kris; i notice they now have public IDs
>Robert; I put the new versions thru my tests and I didn't get any
>additional errors.
>Eliot; I validated everywhere in the spec where there was a new examples;
>as a side effect, I found some issues with the RNG versions; I'm pretty
>sure  things are conformant with 1.3 today.  If anyone would like to
>contribute test documents, that would be good; I'm not sure I have
>exhaustive tests.
>Kris; a number of TC members volunteered to do some testing; David and
>Chris, could you do that now?
>David, Chris; yes
>Kris; between now and next week's TC meeting?
>Chris; yes, David; maybe
>Eliot; I've updated transforms to generate DTDs & schemas that will be
>able to be compared line by line and have generally the same format as
>the 1.2 versions.
>
>
>11. On-going items: DITA 1.3
>
>    Lessons learned re proposal and review processes
>        What worked well?
>        What didn't work?
>        How can we improve the process in the future?
>    Normative terminology
>
>
>Eliot; for next week, I posted a message about markup//terminology; can
>we discuss that next week?
>Kris; Robert and I will have to think about that in our review; the
>question is; do we have the time to discuss and come to agreement on
>terminology, especially when the conflicts already exist at 1.1, 1.2.
>Eliot; I think it's important; for example, the term 'navigation tree'
>may not be the right term for what we've used it for.
>Robert; I also noticed a review comment where Eliot made a formal
>objection to something we'd already decided on, in this case an
>undocumented @collection-type value of 'tree' in the topic module, for
>the linklist/linkpool elements.  This came up at the 14Jan2014 TC
>meeting; we discussed it and decided to leave it in the DTD and mark it
>as deprecated, and leave it out of the XSD schemas; the TC approved this.
>Eliot; I don't remember the meeting when it was voted on.
>Robert;  a further concern; the TC had made that decision based on
>precedent, in 1.1, we noticed that 'object' in the DTD, but not XSD,
>included a @longdescre; we added @longdescref but left the error in for
>backwards compatibility.  Eliot's RNG is making changes to XSDs that
>change out past decisions.
>Eliot; I'll make changes on tree value on links and longdescre @.
>Kris; there's also a Trello card on tree value on links
>ActionItem: Eliot will update RNG and transforms to implement the TC's
>decisions on maintaining backwards compatibility wrt @longdescre in
>'object' and @collection-type="tree" in linklist/linkpool within base
>topic module.  see
>https://trello.com/c/JM3CYsFR/12-fix-bug-in-definition-of-collection-type-
>in-dtd
>and  https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201401/msg00037.html for
>more detail.
>
>
>closed at 11:54 EDT
>        
>-- Nancy Harrison
>        
>    
>    
>        Document Name: DITA TC Meeting Minutes 28 October 2014
><https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita/document.php?document_
>id=54421>
>        ________________________________________
>        No description provided.
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><https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=54421&wg_a
>bbrev=dita>
>        ________________________________________
>        Submitter: Nancy Harrison
>                Group: OASIS Darwin Information Typing Architecture
>(DITA) TC
>        Folder: Meeting Notes
>        Date submitted: 2014-10-29 19:57:21
>                
>            
>    




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