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Subject: Groups - DITA TC Meeting Minutes 25 April 2023 uploaded
- From: Nancy Harrison<nharrison@infobridge-solutions.com>
- To: <dita@lists.oasis-open.org>
- Date: Mon, 1 May 2023 07:22:16 +0000 (UTC)
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Minutes of the OASIS DITA TC
Tuesday, 25 April 2023
Recorded by Hancy Harrison
link to agenda for this meeting:
https://wiki.OASIS-open.org/dita/PreviousAgendas
Attendance:
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Robert Anderson, Tammy Crowley, Stan Doherty, Kris Eberlein, Nancy Harrison, Scott Hudson, Eliot Kimber, Zoe Lawson, Keith Schengili-Roberts, Frank Wegmann, Christina Rothwell
Business
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1. Roll call
Regrets: none
2. Approve minutes from previous business meeting:
04 April 2023
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/202304/msg00009.html (Harrison, 08 April April 2023)
moved by Kris, 2nd by Scott, approved by TC
3. Announcements
- Tammy & Kathryn leaving TC, as Precision Content not renewing its OASIS membership
- Tammy; we have bookmap elements, both structure and metadata, ready for review.
- Frank; SAP is being taken private by Silverlake equity firm; it looks to be an interesting ride over next few months...
4. Report back from ConVEX
[attendees from TC: Frank, Robert, Scott, Eliot, Keith; Frank and Keith virtual]
- Eliot; the hotel lost AC, veso it was variably very hot. But it was cool getting to meet folks from Europe I hadn't seen since 2019.
- Kris; I was sorry to miss it with Covid.
- Eliot; topic of the day was AI and ChatGPT; Mike Iantosca had some really interesting things to say, e.g., when you're using ChatGPT, you train it on your content, but you can't untrain it, because it's inherently unknowable in how it makes it decision
- Robert; check out the term 'vectorized linguistic nepotism'; coined by Mike Iantosca (now at Avelara, as is MichaelP).
- Kris; Mike is doing a monthly 'semantic knowledge' guild; monthly preentations. And Mike regularly is in interesting LinkedIn conversations.
- Scott; taxoxnomy and ontologies also came up; those were popular concepts years ago, now they're coming back.
- Kris; in a DITA-based, or a more general knowledge-based way?
- Scott; isssues is the importance of connecting content with taxonomy.
- Eliot; basically, generative AI, if not guided by taxonomy, will give you gibbersish answers; with taxonomy, it can be very powerful, but no one's been able to do that yet. But folks with library science degrees are becoming rock stars.
- Kris; Mayo Clinic is ahead of curve here, we have a large team of ontologists; i work with mgr of ontologists, who has 7 under him. I'm still learning about it, not using it yet in DITA. At Mayo, it's stored in TopBraid, which intersects with various CMSs. For example, it handles which doctors are in what depts, what clinical trials are doing what, how they intesect, etc.
- Tammy; we haven't done that, we're only using DITA for taxonomy/ontology.
- Kris; it's early in Mayo's transition to DITA; we're looking at 'how do we annotate individual topics rather than DITA maps?'; 'how do we annotate stuff that was in different product lines?'; 'how do we reconcile different taxonomies/ontologies?'.
- Frank; maybe a next presentation for ConVEx from you could be on ontologies and DITA?
- Kris; if I ever get a real handle on it...
- Eliot; Jan Graat did a presentation on doing real automatic generation of DITA using generative AI; similar to what George Bina did last year. Jan is using PHP to generate fragments; it's simple and cheap but it works. Wrt the conference, it seemed like the set of vendors was the same as usual, except that Adobe wasn't there.
- Kris; they had a big event in March in Las Vegas.
- Eliot; ours is such a small conference that it may not be worth their while to staff a booth.
- Kris; Stefan contacted me about DITA World, that Adobe runs, but last time they put us on the last time slot on the last day, when everyone's left.
- Robert; my general health sucked during the conference, I crashed Tues night, my experience of it was that it was mainly AI discussions.
- Scott; Eliot and I had 3 presentations between us, we shared some stuff we've been doing with XQuery and our content.
- Frank; I saw 2 of them and really liked them.
- Eliot; our 3rd talk, we were unfortunately scheduled against Mike Iantosca, who was presenting on something I would have liked to see. .
- Kris; maybe you can reprise some of those preentations with user groups.
- Eliot, Scott; we'd be glad to that.
- Zoe; talk to Stan about doing a presentation for the Boston DITA users group.
- Kris; I also want to plug the Boston group, I've been thinking about running a monthly dita-users seminar. anything else about ConVEx?
- Eliot; there will not be a DITA Europe this year, but there might be something in the spring. we also lobbied for Syncrosoft to have their DITA User's Day in Rumania.
- Keith; was Ixiasoft there, either as themselves or as Flare (the folks who bought them out)?
- Robert; they were there, with an Ixiasoft sign, but they had a Madcap logo at booth as well.
- Zoe; at the last Boston user group mtg, an Ixiasoft guy was there and talked about the merger, but not for publication; you could ask Stan about what her said.
5. Action items and volunteer tasks
08 November 2022:
Kris: Sketch out organization of "Changes from DITA 1.3 to DITA 2.0" topics for base spec
- Kris; will do my best to close that out in next month
17 January 2023
Robert: Devise way to generate aggregated "Rendering expectations" topic"
- Robert; probably not this week, maybe next
24 January 2023
Robert & Bill: Work on mentions of error conditions in body text; aggregated error conditions in appendix
- Robert; we met to discuss that, will take a crack at it.
Kris: Update wording in spec about processing reltables
- Kris; will target this for next week.
07 March 2023
Eliot: Look at his original e-mail about "Cascading attribute values" and consider @scope and @format. See also minutes/action items from 10 January 2023.
- Eliot; will try to work on that in near future
Kris & Robert: Consider Eliot's latest e-mail about "Cascading attribute values" and consider where adjustments are need in regard to text and examples
04 April 2023
Kris: Schedule call with Frank re LwDITA spec after ConVEX
- Frank; yes, let's try to do this; pick a date/time
- Kris; I'll target that call before next TC mtg.
Spec reviews:
Dawn: Examples for reference (architectural topic) and
6. Re: Rework of cascading processing rules
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/202302/msg00040.html (Kimber, 21 February 2022)
[On hold until editors meet]
7. Technical content review C: Programming, software, and UI domains
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/202301/msg00005.html (Anderson, 09 January 2023)
Status of review
Participation: Eliot, Kris, Robert, Tammy, Zoe, Stan, Bill, Frank, Nancy
Update (Anderson)
- Kris; I might try to finish for Robert, so we can get it done.
8. Review F: Syntax diagram domain
Opening of review:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/202302/msg00056.html (Eberlein, 28 February 2023)
Status of review:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/202303/msg00002.html (Eberlein, 07 March 2023)
[no updates]
9. Review H: Release management domain
Opening of review:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/202303/msg00018.html (Eberlein, 21 March 2023)
NEW Release-management domain white paper
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/202304/msg00000.html (Eberlein, 03 April 2023)
- Kris; good participation, I will try to have this or agenda item #10 closed out by next week.
10. Review I: Equation, MathML, and SVG domain
Opening of review:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/202304/msg00004.html (Eberlein, 04 April 2023)
[see above]
11. Editorial work on DITA for Technical Content 2.0 element-reference topics
How much "context" to show in examples?
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/202302/msg00023.html (Eberlein, 14 February 2023)
Editorial assignments, deadlines, review maps
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/202301/msg00035.html (Eberlein, 31 January 2023)
Editorial guidelines
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/202301/msg00036.html (Eberlein, 31 January 2023)
NEW AND UPDATED https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/202303/msg00019.html (Eberlein, 21 March 2023)
General resources:
Recording of 20 December 2022 session
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/202212/msg00033.html
GitHub education that the TC did in 2018
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/202212/msg00034.html (Eberlein, 21 December 2022)
Status?
https://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/DITA2.0TechnicalContentReviews
- Tammy; I've finished work on bookmap structure and metadata, and have opened or will open a pull request for them.
- Kris; I will try to open that for next week for review.
11:50 am ET close
-- Ms. Nancy Harrison
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