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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:50:17 +0100
From: Gour <gour@mail.inet.hr>
Subject: Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: DTD vs. XML Schema
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Jirka Kosek (jirka@kosek.cz) wrote:
> From theoretical point of view RNG is cool schema language especially
> for grammar-based document types like DocBook. AFAIK there is zero
> support for RNG in XML content creation tools (editors). And you will
> have same problem with entities as in XML schemas. But I hope that more
> tools will adapt RNG in a future.
Afaik, the upcoming version of epcEdit will have support for RNG.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:55:21 +0100
From: Claus Rasmussen <clr@interse.com>
Subject: DOCBOOK-APPS: Wrap text around images in PDFs, using xsl:fo
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Is subj. possible at all? I can create inline graphics, but only that
one line of text will wrap around it. I'm looking for a look like what
happens in HTML when you align an image to the left or to the right, and
the surrounding text wraps around it, like:
+---------+
| | blah, blah, text, blah, blah,
| image | wrap..wrap..blah, blah, blah,
| | blah, blah, clah, ajsldf alksdf
+---------+ lakjsdf ljks sdlfjk lsjdfs kjsdf
lkjsf slkdfj sdflkjsdf slfdkjsf lsdj
ljk ljk sdf lksjdf sldjfls sljkfdsf lkjl
Anyone?
Best,
Claus
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:30:19 -0500
From: Jeff Beal <jeff.beal@ansys.com>
Subject: RE: DOCBOOK-APPS: Tables do not appear in fo
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Which XSLT processor are you using?
Which FO formatter are you using?
The adjustColumnWidths function is an extension function Norm wrote. It is
not implemented in XSL, but relies on different processor-specific
mechanisms. If you're using Saxon, for example, you need to include
docbook-xsl-1.60.1/extensions/saxon65.jar in your java CLASSPATH. If you're
using Xalan, you need to put xalan2.jar in your CLASSPATH. If you're using
XSLTProc, you should not be using extensions. Norm is working on writing
these extension functions in Python (at least the adjustColumnWidths
function), but that isn't done yet.
I have found that for HTML output, losing the adjustColumnWidths function is
a bad thing, but both Xep and FOP have good enough support for FO tables
that they don't need it.
Jeff
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Hello,
When I have this option turned on in my docbook customization layer:
<!-- Use Extensions -->
<xsl:param name="use.extensions" select="'1'"/>
tables don't appear in the XSLFO file and I read:
"No adjustColumnWidths function available."
When I turn extensions off, they're back!
What's the problem?
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:32:54 -0500
From: Jeff Beal <jeff.beal@ansys.com>
Subject: RE: DOCBOOK-APPS: Wrap text around images in PDFs, using xsl:fo
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You'll need to place the image inside of a <fo:float/> element.
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From: Claus Rasmussen [mailto:clr@interse.com]
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Subject: DOCBOOK-APPS: Wrap text around images in PDFs, using xsl:fo
Is subj. possible at all? I can create inline graphics, but only that
one line of text will wrap around it. I'm looking for a look like what
happens in HTML when you align an image to the left or to the right, and
the surrounding text wraps around it, like:
+---------+
| | blah, blah, text, blah, blah,
| image | wrap..wrap..blah, blah, blah,
| | blah, blah, clah, ajsldf alksdf
+---------+ lakjsdf ljks sdlfjk lsjdfs kjsdf
lkjsf slkdfj sdflkjsdf slfdkjsf lsdj
ljk ljk sdf lksjdf sldjfls sljkfdsf lkjl
Anyone?
Best,
Claus
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:36:59 +0100
From: Claus Rasmussen <clr@interse.com>
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Jeff,
Thanks for your snappy reply.
I should have been clearer in my question - I actually meant, whether
such behavior is supported by the docbook xsl style sheets for fo,
because that's where I can't get it to work.
I'm using FOP - is that the sinner here, or is it not supported at the
style sheet level?
/claus
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> From: Jeff Beal [mailto:jeff.beal@ansys.com]
> Sent: 14. marts 2003 15:33
> To: Claus Rasmussen; docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: DOCBOOK-APPS: Wrap text around images in PDFs, using
xsl:fo
>
> You'll need to place the image inside of a <fo:float/> element.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Claus Rasmussen [mailto:clr@interse.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:55 AM
> To: docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: DOCBOOK-APPS: Wrap text around images in PDFs, using xsl:fo
>
>
> Is subj. possible at all? I can create inline graphics, but only that
> one line of text will wrap around it. I'm looking for a look like what
> happens in HTML when you align an image to the left or to the right,
and
> the surrounding text wraps around it, like:
>
> +---------+
> | | blah, blah, text, blah, blah,
> | image | wrap..wrap..blah, blah, blah,
> | | blah, blah, clah, ajsldf alksdf
> +---------+ lakjsdf ljks sdlfjk lsjdfs kjsdf
> lkjsf slkdfj sdflkjsdf slfdkjsf lsdj
> ljk ljk sdf lksjdf sldjfls sljkfdsf lkjl
>
> Anyone?
>
> Best,
> Claus
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:11:39 -0500
From: Jeff Beal <jeff.beal@ansys.com>
Subject: RE: DOCBOOK-APPS: Wrap text around images in PDFs, using xsl:fo
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Oh. In that case, I think you can quite legitimately point fingers at both
DocBook and FOP. I just checked FOP's website, and they do not suppor the
<fo:float/> formatting object. However, there's also nothing in the DocBook
DTD or in Norm's stylesheets to output an <fo:float/>. It certainly seems
that with your particular tool chain, floats are at the moment impossible.
If you were to switch FO formatters, I could envision a stylesheet
customization along the lines of
<xsl:template match="inlinemediaobject[@role='floatleft']">
<fo:float float="left">
<xsl:apply-imports/>
</fo:float>
</xsl:template>
that would work. For now, though, there's nothing in DocBook to support
floating images. (It might make a nice RFE, though.)
Jeff
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Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 9:37 AM
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Jeff,
Thanks for your snappy reply.
I should have been clearer in my question - I actually meant, whether
such behavior is supported by the docbook xsl style sheets for fo,
because that's where I can't get it to work.
I'm using FOP - is that the sinner here, or is it not supported at the
style sheet level?
/claus
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> From: Jeff Beal [mailto:jeff.beal@ansys.com]
> Sent: 14. marts 2003 15:33
> To: Claus Rasmussen; docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: DOCBOOK-APPS: Wrap text around images in PDFs, using
xsl:fo
>
> You'll need to place the image inside of a <fo:float/> element.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Claus Rasmussen [mailto:clr@interse.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:55 AM
> To: docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: DOCBOOK-APPS: Wrap text around images in PDFs, using xsl:fo
>
>
> Is subj. possible at all? I can create inline graphics, but only that
> one line of text will wrap around it. I'm looking for a look like what
> happens in HTML when you align an image to the left or to the right,
and
> the surrounding text wraps around it, like:
>
> +---------+
> | | blah, blah, text, blah, blah,
> | image | wrap..wrap..blah, blah, blah,
> | | blah, blah, clah, ajsldf alksdf
> +---------+ lakjsdf ljks sdlfjk lsjdfs kjsdf
> lkjsf slkdfj sdflkjsdf slfdkjsf lsdj
> ljk ljk sdf lksjdf sldjfls sljkfdsf lkjl
>
> Anyone?
>
> Best,
> Claus
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:40:49 +0000
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At 13:50 14/03/2003 +0100, Gour wrote:
>Jirka Kosek (jirka@kosek.cz) wrote:
>
> > From theoretical point of view RNG is cool schema language especially
> > for grammar-based document types like DocBook. AFAIK there is zero
> > support for RNG in XML content creation tools (editors). And you will
> > have same problem with entities as in XML schemas. But I hope that more
> > tools will adapt RNG in a future.
>
>Afaik, the upcoming version of epcEdit will have support for RNG.
And Rick Jelliffe's editor from topologi.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:45:07 +0300
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:45:14 +0100
Stefan Bylund <steby@enea.se> wrote:
> Hi Damian,
>
> I first tried xincluder but I soon found out that xmllint is
> more fully featured. I use the following command to resolve all
> xincludes before invoking the XSLT processor (Saxon):
>
> xmllint --xinclude --catalogs document.xml > resolved.xml
>
> Note that xmllint uses the SGML_CATALOG_FILES environment
> variable to find the catalog(s).
>
> The xmllint tool is part of libxml2 which is located at
> http://xmlsoft.org/. It is also a very good validating XML
> parser; I use it the following way:
>
> xmllint --xinclude --postvalid --noout --catalogs document.xml
If your document uses entities which declared in external DTD
(like DocBook), you should add
--loaddtd
<skipped/>
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:26:31 -0800
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Subject: Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Wrap text around images in PDFs, using xsl:fo
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On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:11:39AM -0500, Jeff Beal wrote:
> Oh. In that case, I think you can quite legitimately point fingers at both
> DocBook and FOP. I just checked FOP's website, and they do not suppor the
> <fo:float/> formatting object. However, there's also nothing in the DocBook
> DTD or in Norm's stylesheets to output an <fo:float/>. It certainly seems
> that with your particular tool chain, floats are at the moment impossible.
>
> If you were to switch FO formatters, I could envision a stylesheet
> customization along the lines of
>
> <xsl:template match="inlinemediaobject[@role='floatleft']">
> <fo:float float="left">
> <xsl:apply-imports/>
> </fo:float>
> </xsl:template>
>
> that would work. For now, though, there's nothing in DocBook to support
> floating images. (It might make a nice RFE, though.)
Actually, the DocBook Technical Committee approved
RFE 615473 on 19 November 2002 to extend 'float' in
the DTD. In 4.2, there is just a 'float = yes|no'
attribute on figure. We added a 'floatstyle' attribute to figure,
example, table, and equation, of type CDATA with the
documentation saying that it is expected to be a
keyword that a stylesheet could act upon.
Once that change is released in a new DTD version,
the stylesheets can be modified to work with it.
Bob Stayton 400 Encinal Street
Publications Architect Santa Cruz, CA 95060
Technical Publications voice: (831) 427-7796
The SCO Group fax: (831) 429-1887
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Apparently I need to pay more attention to the latest versions of the DTD.
;) (I really need to upgrade ours some day -- still using 3.something.)
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On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:11:39AM -0500, Jeff Beal wrote:
> Oh. In that case, I think you can quite legitimately point fingers at
both
> DocBook and FOP. I just checked FOP's website, and they do not suppor the
> <fo:float/> formatting object. However, there's also nothing in the
DocBook
> DTD or in Norm's stylesheets to output an <fo:float/>. It certainly seems
> that with your particular tool chain, floats are at the moment impossible.
>
> If you were to switch FO formatters, I could envision a stylesheet
> customization along the lines of
>
> <xsl:template match="inlinemediaobject[@role='floatleft']">
> <fo:float float="left">
> <xsl:apply-imports/>
> </fo:float>
> </xsl:template>
>
> that would work. For now, though, there's nothing in DocBook to support
> floating images. (It might make a nice RFE, though.)
Actually, the DocBook Technical Committee approved
RFE 615473 on 19 November 2002 to extend 'float' in
the DTD. In 4.2, there is just a 'float = yes|no'
attribute on figure. We added a 'floatstyle' attribute to figure,
example, table, and equation, of type CDATA with the
documentation saying that it is expected to be a
keyword that a stylesheet could act upon.
Once that change is released in a new DTD version,
the stylesheets can be modified to work with it.
Bob Stayton 400 Encinal Street
Publications Architect Santa Cruz, CA 95060
Technical Publications voice: (831) 427-7796
The SCO Group fax: (831) 429-1887
email: bobs@sco.com
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:52:02 -0500
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Subject: Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: page numbers in dsssl xrefs
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From: Adam DiCarlo <adam@onshored.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 03:14:53 -0600
>Kevin Dunn <kdunn@hsc.edu> writes:
>
>> The problem is that the page numbers are occasionally wrong when a
>> floating figure or equation is bumped to the next page. The mandrake
>> documentation project solved this problem for the LOT by printing
>> the page number of, for example, the title of an equation rather
>> than of the equation itself.
>
>I don't get it. Wouldn't it be a bug if the equation title is on a
>different page than the equation itself? Or are these deliberately
>multi-page equations?
>
This is a LONGSTANDING bug in the dsl stylesheets, dating back to before they moved to sourceforge. When the tex backend bumps a formal object (figure, eqn, etc.) to the start of a new page, the object itself starts at the bottom of, say page 7, but the figure and its title actually appear at the top of page 8. The result is that hyperlinks to those objects work fine in both html and pdf. But the page number listed as page 7 in the TOC. The mandrake customization gets around this by linking LOT entries to the object titles rather than to the objects themselves.
I solved my page reference problem in the same way. I made a few minor changes to common/dbl1en.dsl and now I can get correct page references simply by xref to a title or anchor.
>Hmm, I believe we can adjust where the actual anchor for the link is
>placed.
>
>Is is possible to provide a sample generic DocBook (XML or SGML, XML
>preferred) document showing the problem?
>
I'll do that and send you my customizations. I'm sure that they are crude, but they solve my problems.
BTW, thanks for your work on dsssl 1.78. It is much appreciated.
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>Kevin Dunn <kdunn@hsc.edu> writes:
>
>> I have an almost insignificant problem that I have had little
>> success in understanding--the degree symbol in my generated pdf has
>> extra whitespace at the end. I have looked in the .tex output from
>> openjade and jadetex and there is no extra whitespace there. I can
>> only suspect that tex itself thinks that the symbol is wider than it
>> acutally is.
>
>Woah, no idea. Submit as a bug against jadetex, though it might be a
>TeX issue...
>
It looks like a stylesheet issue, though I have no idea at what point in the chain it could be fixed. The dsl stylesheet writes the ascii code for the degree symbol into the tex file. TeX understands the symbol and prints it, but stupidly, with too much space between the symbol and the next character. TeX actually has a smart degree symbol, \textdegree. Currently I run my tex through a sed script to change all the ascii degrees into textdegrees. It looks just like it should, but I have no idea how to massage the stylesheets into outputting \textdegree for °
I will include an example in the one I am creating for the "page number" problem.
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"Kevin Dunn" <kdunn@hsc.edu> writes:
> It looks like a stylesheet issue, though I have no idea at what
> point in the chain it could be fixed. The dsl stylesheet writes the
> ascii code for the degree symbol into the tex file. TeX understands
> the symbol and prints it, but stupidly, with too much space between
> the symbol and the next character. TeX actually has a smart degree
> symbol, \textdegree. Currently I run my tex through a sed script to
> change all the ascii degrees into textdegrees. It looks just like it
> should, but I have no idea how to massage the stylesheets into
> outputting \textdegree for °
>
> I will include an example in the one I am creating for the "page number" problem.
I don't really see how this could be a stylesheet issue. It's either
an OpenJade TeX backend issue or a JadeTeX issue.
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