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Subject: Re: Re[2]: [docbook-apps] docbook.xsl/fo different bullet symbols for itemizedlists

I should have been a bit more precise about what I was doing. I was just
showing the results of testing with the current version of the DocBook XSL
stylesheets, so that users who wanted to try out various bullet alternatives
could know what to expect if they don't do any font customization.

The fo:root element in DocBook XSL-FO output includes these two properties:


The tests show how the three processors handle those selected bullet
characters given these settings. I think one can draw two conclusions from
the tests:

- FOP does not use the font-selection-strategy property.
- Antenna House's default fonts seem to have more symbol characters.

To be fair, all of these processors are capable of delivering all of those
bullet characters, given the right selection of fonts and customization of
the DocBook stylesheet output. For example, because FOP does not support the
font-selection-strategy property, you have to put the character in an
fo:inline with the correct font-family specified.

But I was looking at the problem from the point of view of the user, who
would just like to be able to specify a special character and have it appear
in their output.  Until Unicode fonts become the norm, these issues of
missing glyphs will continue to complicate the lives of users.

Bob Stayton
Sagehill Enterprises
DocBook Consulting

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alexander Peshkov" <peshkov@renderx.com>
To: "Bob Stayton" <bobs@sagehill.net>
Cc: "Docbook-Apps (E-Mail)" <docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 6:43 AM
Subject: Re[2]: [docbook-apps] docbook.xsl/fo different bullet symbols for

> Hello Bob,
> It's quite unclear for me what do you mean by this test... there is no
> special 'bullet support' in XSL FO processors. Bullet is just a
> regular character and it will be rendered correctly if current font has
> appropriate glyph. The standard font for bullets is Adobe standard
> Zapf Dingbats (BTW, you can find a sample which demonstrates the whole
> repertory of this font in XEP distribution:
> The glyphs marked in your table with 'yes' for XEP are those available
> in Zapf Dingbats. If you want to use any other bullets you have to provide
> XEP with appropriate font.
> Best regards,
> Alexander Peshkov                             mailto:peshkov@renderx.com
> RenderX
> BS> I think these alternate bullet characters were turned off because FOP
> BS> not support any of them.  I ran some tests on the various FO
processors, and
> BS> this table summarizes what I found for likely bullet characters:
> BS> Description       Unicode   FOP   XEP   Antenna House
> BS> ----------------  --------  ----  ----  -------------
> BS> Bullet            2022      yes   yes      yes
> BS> Ring operator     2218       no    no      no
> BS> Black square      25A0       no   yes      yes
> BS> White square      25A1       no    no      yes
> BS> White circle      25CB       no    no      yes
> BS> Black circle      25CF       no   yes      yes
> BS> White bullet      25E6       no    no      yes
> BS> Large circle      25EF       no    no      no
> BS> Ballot box        2610       no    no      no
> BS> Ideographic zero  3007       no    no      yes
> BS> If full Unicode fonts were in wide use, then these characters would
> BS> be better supported.
> BS> Bob Stayton
> BS> Sagehill Enterprises
> BS> DocBook Consulting
> BS> bobs@sagehill.net
> BS> ----- Original Message ----- 
> BS> From: "Sebastian Fey" <fey@parsytec.de>
> BS> To: "Docbook-Apps (E-Mail)" <docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org>
> BS> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 7:42 AM
> BS> Subject: [docbook-apps] docbook.xsl/fo different bullet symbols for
> BS> itemizedlists
> BS> hi,
> BS> it seems like this isnt implemented in docbook.xsl yet.
> BS> snippet from xsl/fo/lists.xsl:
> BS> ##########
> BS> <xsl:choose>
> BS> <xsl:when test="$itemsymbol='disc'">&#x2022;</xsl:when>
> BS> <xsl:when test="$itemsymbol='bullet'">&#x2022;</xsl:when>
> BS> <!-- why do these symbols not work? -->
> BS> <!--
> BS> <xsl:when test="$itemsymbol='circle'">&#x2218;</xsl:when>
> BS> <xsl:when test="$itemsymbol='round'">&#x2218;</xsl:when>
> BS> <xsl:when test="$itemsymbol='square'">&#x2610;</xsl:when>
> BS> <xsl:when test="$itemsymbol='box'">&#x2610;</xsl:when>
> -->>
> BS> <xsl:otherwise>&#x2022;</xsl:otherwise>
> BS> </xsl:choose>
> BS> ###########
> BS> does anybody know how to fix this?
> BS> thx+cu
> BS> Sebastian
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