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Subject: Re: [docbook-apps] RE: XSL-FO and unicode


My book provides a workaround for this problem of FOP not supporting the 
font-selection-strategy property.  See:

http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/SpecialChars.html#SwitchSymbol

It requires a stylesheet customization, as well as changing the XML source files for 
any missing characters.  Hopefully the FOP developers will fix this limitation soon.

Bob Stayton
Sagehill Enterprises
bobs@sagehill.net


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fabien Tillier" <f.tillier@cerep.fr>
To: <rob.cavicchio@emc.com>; <docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 8:41 AM
Subject: RE: [docbook-apps] RE: XSL-FO and unicode


If I only set Arial Unicode MS <xsl:param name="body.font.family" select="'Arial 
Unicode MS'"/>, I get the symbols, but only those :( (and numbers...)
And Acrobat tells me the used fonts are Helvetica and Symbol...
As I like to try things, I set the fonts to
<xsl:param name="symbol.font.family" select="'Arial Unicode MS'"/>
<xsl:param name="body.font.family" select="'Helvetica,Arial,Serif'"/>
Thus, trying to use Arial Unicode MS for symbole (though I am completely sure it won't 
work)
And I was right. So, I am afraid I am in a dead-end...

-----Message d'origine-----
De : rob.cavicchio@emc.com [mailto:rob.cavicchio@emc.com]
Envoy : jeudi 8 juillet 2010 16:57
 : Fabien Tillier; docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org
Objet : RE: [docbook-apps] RE: XSL-FO and unicode

I understand your frustration. I happen to be dealing with a lot of these 
font/character issues myself right now, so my head's in it. Hopefully I can help 
further. The situation is very different for HTML vs. PDF.

As far as HTML goes, unless you are publishing HTML Help (CHM), I recommend sticking 
with UTF-8 for HTML output, and if possible make sure all your font style declarations 
end with one of the standard font keywords ("monospace", "sans-serif", or "serif"). 
When the HTML output is displayed, for each character the browser should automatically 
select an available font if the font you explicitly specified doesn't contain that 
character.


PDF has a much more limited fallback mechanism, and furthermore FOP itself does not 
even fully implement the XSL-FO 1.1 specification. As a result you have to jump 
through a lot more hoops to guarantee the correct display of all Unicode characters.


> When I look in the properties, only
> Helvetica font is used, not Symbol, which I indicate in the XSL-FO
> stylesheet with
> <xsl:param name="symbol.font.family" select="'Symbol'"/>
> <xsl:param name="body.font.family" select="'Helvetica,Arial,Serif'"/>

Unfortunately I think you are running into a limitation of FOP that the DocBook 
stylesheets don't seem set up to let you circumvent. I went and looked at the DocBook 
stylesheet reference at 
http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/doc/index.html (sorry I didn't do 
this before), and according to the documentation, the symbol font names "are 
automatically appended to the body or title font family name when fonts are specified 
in a font-family property in the FO output". But as we've said, FOP disregards all but 
the first font name, so appending more font names to the end of the list is not going 
to have any effect.


> As of inserting Arial Unicode in FOP, I hesitate, as the ttf file is 22Mb
> in size...

I believe that FOP subsets all fonts, so you probably don't have to worry about the 
size. The font does only come with MS Office, but if you know that all systems you 
publish on will have MS Office installed, then the simplest solution is probably this:

<xsl:param name="body.font.family" select="'Arial Unicode MS,Helvetica,Arial,Serif'"/>


You might then run into a further limitation, however. My understanding is that "Arial 
Unicode MS" does not have bold and italic variations, so if you do this you might find 
that bold and italics do not show up in the PDF. I have not yet experimented to see 
what really happens here.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fabien Tillier [mailto:f.tillier@cerep.fr]
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 4:46 AM
> To: Cavicchio, Rob; docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [docbook-apps] RE: XSL-FO and unicode
>
> Thanks rob.
> I still do have some troubles....
> I am using the same docbook xml to generate either HTML or PDF. Some
> characters (, ) are visible in PDF but not in HTML while others (alpha,
> beta) are visible in HTML but not in PDF....
> I am getting mad, as both are encoded the same way in the original XML...
> Maybe it is because I am using ISO-8859-1 ?
> If I try with UTF-8, I get correct display in HTML but the problem is
> still there in FOP(huh, PDF). When I look in the properties, only
> Helvetica font is used, not Symbol, which I indicate in the XSL-FO
> stylesheet with
> <xsl:param name="symbol.font.family" select="'Symbol'"/>
> <xsl:param name="body.font.family" select="'Helvetica,Arial,Serif'"/>
> I have that strange feeling I am running in circles...
> As of inserting Arial Unicode in FOP, I hesitate, as the ttf file is 22Mb
> in size...
>
> Regards,
> Fabien
>
>
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : rob.cavicchio@emc.com [mailto:rob.cavicchio@emc.com]
> Envoy : mercredi 7 juillet 2010 18:57
>  : docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org
> Objet : [docbook-apps] RE: XSL-FO and unicode
>
> Fabien Tillier [mailto:f.tillier@cerep.fr] wrote:
>
> > In the xsl-fo, I get
> > <fo:block>&#945;</fo:block>
> >
> > And in PDF, a wonderful "#"
> > So, after some further readings, I found that I had to add some fonts,
> > so in the XSL Customization, I added
> >
> > <xsl:param name="symbol.font.family" select="'Arial Sans
> > Unicode,Symbol,ZapfDingbats'"/>
> >
> > But that does not change a thing.... though in the fo, I have <fo:root
> > xmlns:fo="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Format"; font-family="serif,Arial
> > Sans Unicode,Symbol,ZapfDingbats" font-size="10pt" text-align="justify"
> > line-height="normal" font-selection-strategy="character-by-character"
> > line-height-shift-adjustment="disregard-shifts" writing-mode="lr-tb"
> > language="en">
>
>
> I don't know what OS you're working in, but I don't recognize the font
> name "Arial Sans Unicode". Do you mean "Arial Unicode MS"? The most
> current version of that font is available on Windows systems that have
> Office 2003 or later installed, and it does contain the character you
> specified, which is U+03B1 ("Greek Small Letter Alpha").
>
> The "Symbol" font also contains this character, and I recommend using that
> instead because it is one of the Base 14 fonts that will always be
> available in PDF. I think you'll find that if you put "Symbol" first in
> your font list, it will work. As Mauritz pointed out, FOP does not handle
> alternate font selections, so it will only use the first font you specify
> ("Arial Sans Unicode" in your list). If the glyph doesn't exist in that
> font or in the default fallback font (which I think is always "Times"),
> you'll get a "missing glyph" symbol.
>
> If you do want to load OS fonts such as "Arial Unicode MS", in addition to
> specifying the font name in the FO, you need to create a FOP configuration
> file and add the <auto-detect /> instruction, as documented here:
> http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.95/fonts.html#basics
>
>
> *************************
> Rob Cavicchio
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> EMC Captiva
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