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Subject: Re: [docbook-publishers] [Fwd: Re: [docbook] DocBook Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: 15 July 2009]
Please remember that only OASIS members can contribute to/participate in the work of a Technical Committee. All feedback from non-TC members must be provided through the TC comment list. See http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/comments/index.php?wg_abbrev=docbook for details on how to subscribe. Regards, Mary Mary P McRae Director, Standards Development Technical Committee Administrator OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society email: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org web: www.oasis-open.org twitter: fiberartisan #oasisopen phone: 1.603.232.9090 Standards are like parachutes: they work best when they're open. On Aug 4, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Scott Hudson wrote: > Feedback on the publishers spec. > > --Scott > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [docbook] DocBook Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: > 15 July 2009 > Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:12:32 -0600 > From: Mimil Mimil <mimilowns@gmail.com> > To: Hudson, Scott <Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > References: <01b101ca0583$bf087e60$6400a8c0@pazu> <af7433920907231404q764f65ebnc52597019883f918@mail.gmail.com > > <4A68DA5D.4080800@flatironssolutions.com> <af7433920907231458w16a40cf7q72fef21516bd0173@mail.gmail.com > > <4A68DFB9.3070005@flatironssolutions.com> <af7433920907231519p1d0409cayed869480e387f386@mail.gmail.com > > <4A68E5E1.90702@flatironssolutions.com> <4A68E6B6.9090908@flatironssolutions.com > > <af7433920907271209r2376708vc6561824dbaa0b2f@mail.gmail.com> <4A6DFB67.3080501@flatironssolutions.com > > > > > > Hello Scott, > > sorry for the long delay but I haven't been able to free much spare > time this week. I hope this little presentation document will give > you some inputs for the publisher spec. > - I haven't duplicated the information given in http://www.mediachops.com/producer_chops/1_Production_Cycle/PDFs/screenplay_formatting.pdf > - I now agree on the need of different root elements (drama, > poetry ...) > > I am also making the maven/docbook presentation (I guess for > tomorrow), as for now I have completed wiki pages (http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/Maven > ), tested it (simple maven integration) and have release working > maven artifacts. The presentation will talk about maven, the simple > integration and the advanced integration using a dedicated maven > plugin I am developer in. > > See you later, > Cédric, > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Scott Hudson <scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>> wrote: > > Sorry to hear that. We'll try to address your questions via the > OASIS comment facility and email then. > > > Best regards, > > --Scott > > Scott Hudson Senior XML Architect > > +1 (303) 542-2146 | Office > +1 (303) 332-1883 | Cell > Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > ========================================== > Flatirons Solutions > http://www.flatironssolutions.com > > > > Mimil Mimil wrote: > > Hello, > > I guess I am screwed on using my company for OASIS meeting, I > will have to fallback on making emails. > > See you later, > Cédric, > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Scott Hudson > <scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>> wrote: > > Here's the dial-in info for France: > 0800-917733 > pcode: 16948621 > > /Here’s a couple of tips when setting up international > conference > calls: / > > /1. //If your conference participants are calling outside > the US > and Canada > <https://projects.flatironssolutions.com/eRoomReq/Files/Flatirons/Admin/0_21de0/International%20Conferencing%20Instructions%20%28WebEx%29.doc > >, > they must dial the toll or toll-free number > <https://projects.flatironssolutions.com/eRoomReq/Files/Flatirons/Admin/0_246d6/Conf%20Call_International%20toll%20and%20toll%20free%20numbers%20%28WebEx%29.xls > > > assigned to the country they are calling from. They must > wait for > the “Welcome to WebEx” prompt before dialing the > participant code > to be connected to the conference call./ > > /2. //If your participants cannot connect to the conference > for > any reason, they can call the toll international technical > support > line to get immediate help in connecting to the call. That > number > is +1-408-435-7088 (+ is where they might need to dial the US > country code, ‘00’)./ > > /3. //If your participants wish to dial a toll-free tech > support > line, they can call the International Toll Free tech support > number assigned to their country. You can find those numbers > online at http://support.webex.com/support/phone- > numbers.html/ > > /4. //If you wish to report technical issues to WebEx or > get tech > support help, call 1-866-229-3239/ > > /5. //You can also get help and view training materials and > tutorials online at > http://support.webex.com/support/support-services.html/ > > > > > Best regards, > > --Scott > > Scott Hudson Senior XML Architect > > +1 (303) 542-2146 | Office > +1 (303) 332-1883 | Cell > Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>> > ========================================== > Flatirons Solutions > http://www.flatironssolutions.com > > > > Scott Hudson wrote: > > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?month=8&day=4&year=2009&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&p2=195 > <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?month=8&day=4&year=2009&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&p2=195 > > > <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?month=8&day=4&year=2009&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&p2=195 > <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?month=8&day=4&year=2009&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&p2=195 > >> > > Looks like 11pm for you. Let me know what time would work > better for you. > > Best regards, > > --Scott > > Scott Hudson Senior XML Architect > > +1 (303) 542-2146 | Office > +1 (303) 332-1883 | Cell > Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>> > ========================================== > Flatirons Solutions > http://www.flatironssolutions.com > > > > Mimil Mimil wrote: > I just need to convince my manager > and find the oasis > contact inside my company, I will do that tomorrow. > > could you use > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ > converter.html with > France location for me? > > Regards, > Cédric, > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Scott Hudson > <scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>>> wrote: > > Actually, Mary was just concerned that you be an > OASIS > member. If > that's the case, we'd still love to have you at > our > next meeting! > > Tuesday, 04 August 2009, 12:00pm to 01:00pm PT > Dial US/Canada toll-free number: 1-866-699-3239 > Participant Code: 16948621 > > I'm trying to locate the int'l dialing number, > so will > send that > soon. This time may be difficult for you, as > that may > be midnight? > Let me know a better time, and I'll try to > reschedule > with the > committee... > > > Best regards, > > --Scott > > Scott Hudson Senior XML Architect > > +1 (303) 542-2146 | Office > +1 (303) 332-1883 | Cell > Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>> > ========================================== > Flatirons Solutions > http://www.flatironssolutions.com > > > > Mimil Mimil wrote: > > if it can help my company seems to be a > "contributor" (France > Telecom) > and I also work on OpenFormula specification > for an > opensource > implementation that is also used by > OpenOffice and > maybe Sun too. > > If acting as France Telecom (was not my > choice at > first to > simplify) I just need to ask if I can speak > for them. > > Cédric, > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Scott Hudson > <scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>>>> wrote: > > Unfortunately, Mary McRae just informed > me that > you must be an > OASIS member to participate in committee > meetings. Still, > we would > welcome any further comments you may have! > > This specification was started as an > attempt to > broaden the > scope > and acceptance of DocBook outside of the > traditional > software and > hardware documentation. > > > Best regards, > > --Scott > > Scott Hudson Senior XML Architect > > +1 (303) 542-2146 | Office > +1 (303) 332-1883 | Cell > Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>>> > ========================================== > Flatirons Solutions > http://www.flatironssolutions.com > > > > Mimil Mimil wrote: > > Hello, > > I would say why not if it is compatible > with > my daily work > time, I will try to grab more knowledge > around this matter. > > I think we (well I) need to have more > information about the > context of this specification. > - Is there a "customer" requiring it > and > already have some > "requirements"? > - Or any ideas from a pure > brainstorming on > this topic are > also welcome? > > I also would like to present the work > I did > with Maven > (java > building tool) and Docbook because I > really > think it is > a nice > toolchain (I guess most of you are not > aware > of this > work). I > don't know it the TC (if this is the > next > meeting you are > talking about) is the right place for > that > but I can > make the > presentation short (or schedule it > another > date). > However it depends when is the > meeting in > order to > gather all > the informationI need. > > Regards, > Cédric, > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Scott > Hudson > <scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>>> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>>>>> wrote: > > Cédric, > > thank you so much for your comments. > I'll > bring this > information > up at our next meeting. Perhaps you > would > also be > interested in > joining the meeting to provide > additional > comments? > Let me know > and I'll send meeting info. > > As for the similarity of the > models, we > wanted to enable > semantic > distinction in the elements, but > provide > a common > framework for > how lines would be marked up. > Additional > elements > could be > added > as you have indicated, but we did > not > want to add so > many > specific > elements to be too > restrictive.This is > why the > db.all.blocks > pattern is also allowed between > lines and > linegroups. > > Thanks and best regards, > > --Scott > > Scott Hudson Senior XML > Architect > > +1 (303) 542-2146 | Office > +1 (303) 332-1883 | Cell > Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>>> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com> > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>>>> > > > ========================================== > Flatirons Solutions > http://www.flatironssolutions.com > > > > Mimil Mimil wrote: > > Hello, > > I did some research and I found > interesting > document about > screenplays (a dialogue base > interaction too) > and they > use the > following additional > informations: > > - scene numbering > - scene slugs: information > about the > action location > (setting, > location, time of the day) > - scene breaks: information > about the > action rhythm > - scene description: information > about the action > environment > - dialogue: vocal direction, > emotion > > Everything is explained at > http://www.mediachops.com/producer_chops/1_Production_Cycle/PDFs/screenplay_formatting.pdf > > Maybe something to take into > account > for the > publisher > spec? > > Regards, > Cédric, > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:18 AM, > Dave > Pawson > <davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > >> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk>>> <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > >> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk>>>> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > >> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk>>> <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > >> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk>>>>> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > >> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk>>> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > >> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk>>>> <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > >> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk>>> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > >> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk> > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk > <mailto:davep@dpawson.co.uk>>>>>>> wrote: > > On 07/20/2009 10:18 PM, Mimil > Mimil wrote: > > Hello, > > I just have a little > comment > on 8.Publishing > Subcommittee > report ... Scott > suggests > everyone read > it and > provide > comments. > > With an external view (no > knowledge of > publishing) I > wondered > what is the real > motivation to > have 3 > distinct > elements > (dialogue, drama, poetry) > because they > seem to > have the > same > goal "speeches" and > also have > the same xml > definition > in the > spec > (http > ://docs.oasis-open.org/docbook/specs/publishers-1.0-spec-cd-01.pdf) > If the definition is the > same, > isn't the role > attribute > sufficient within a > single > dialogue element? > Or is it a choice made to > simplify the > stylesheet work as > these elements really > need a > different > printing > layout? > > Best regards, > Cédric, > > > With some (not a lot) of > experience in > marking up both > poetry and > drama, I can state > that they are quite > different in > some ways, > particularly if > certain aspects of the visual > presentation of the source is > required to be > captured. > > > > > regards > > -- Dave Pawson > XSLT XSL-FO FAQ. > http://www.dpawson.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Scott Hudson > Senior XML Architect > +1 (303) 542-2146 | Office > +1 (720) 663-7268 | Gvoice > Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com > http://www.flatironssolutions.com > > > > > > < > docbook > .ppt > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > generates this mail. 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