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Subject: Raw TC Minutes: 18 May 2001

| Agenda
| ------
| 1. Roll call

Norman Walsh
Dennis Evans
Michael Sabrio
Michael Smith
Sabine Ocker

We have quorum, meeting called to order by the chair.

| 2. Accepting the minutes[1] of the previous meeting


| 3. Review of the agenda

No changes requested.

| 4. Review of open action items
|    a. Norm to fix RFE database

Norm suggests: let's move it to SourceForge; that's item 5 on today's

Continued until item 5 in this agenda.

|    b. Norm to raise on list: EBNF


Proposed: we've made it an "official" module by providing explicit
hooks for it.


Action: Norm to clarify this in the web pages.

|    c. Norm to raise on list: newsgroup element or class on systemitem 

Completed[a]. No one suggested that <systemitem class="newsgroup"> was
too odious.

Proposed: let's do that and revisit if someone objects.


|    d. Norm to ask for more detail on RFE 136 (co in userinput)

Completed (in private email). The real issue is 

   <screen><prompt>#</prompt> <userinput>foo <co id="foo"> \
bar <co id="bar"> \
baz <co id="baz"></userinput></screen>

What we'd really like is <co> as an inclusion on <screen> but we
can't have that.

There is a question of what elements would be changed (prompt,
userinput, computeroutput, anything else?)

Michael Sabrio notes that

 <computeroutput>a</computeroutput><co id='x'/><computeroutput>b</computeroutput>

would be a workaround for some cases. Norm observes that you couldn't
then point to the whole thing with an IDREF.

Dennis expressed concern that there's lots of stuff in <screen> that
could be effected. This looks like a slippery slope.

Action: Norm to write a concrete proposal.

|    e. Dennis to investigate problems caused by removing OLink

Completed. Removing OLink would cause a lot of pain.

|    f. Michael (Sabrio) to investigate problems caused by removing OLink

Completed. There is some use of OLink, but conversion would not be painful.

|    g. Norm to develop a concrete proposal for linking in 5.0

Continued. XPointer/XLink aren't Recommendations yet.

|    h. Norm to make a concrete proposal for extending textobject to insert
|       external files


|    i. Norm to make a concrete proposal for coref


| 5. Report on the SourceForge DocBook Project[2] (moving the RFE database
|    to SourceForge)

Proposed: fix RFE database by moving it to SourceForge tracker.


Action: Norm will update the tracker with all outstanding RFEs and
move the RFE history to a static page so that it is not lost.

| 6. Metadata issues
|   - The Open Source Metadata Framework[3]
|   - Dublin core[4]
|   - Metadata for elements at the block level
|   - Names and addresses/the content model of author

Norm: This is a big issue.

Michael Sabrio: A f2f might be the way to go for this.

Norm: There's an Open Source Documentation Summit at the O'Reilly
Open Source Conference[d]

Michael Smith: There are OMF[e] and ScrollKeeper[f] mailing lists.

Michael Sabrio: Wouldn't it make sense to have a single wrapper for
  "all block elements"

Norm: That may be the way to go. We have 'N' flavors of *Info element now
because it was imagined that organizations might want to constrain their
content models differently.

Action: Michael Sabrio will investigate specifically what elements his
group would like to put metadata on.

Norm mused that one rule for deciding what elements get metadata could
be: "all elements with element content". (Elements with mixed content
can't practically have metdata by way of a containing *info wrapper
because of the way XML restricts mixed content models.)

Action: Norm to propose new name and address stuff.

With time running out, the chair interrupts the agenda.

Proposed: we shall begin to meet monthly by teleconference at
01:00p EDT (10:00a PDT, 17:00GMT, 18:00BST, 19:00CEST, 02:00JST+) on


Proposed: we continue this agenda at an irregular meeting at
01:00p EDT (10:00a PDT, 17:00GMT, 18:00BST, 19:00CEST, 02:00JST+) on
Tuesday, 22 May 2001.


Meeting adjourned.

| 7. Adapting DocBook for more topic-oriented manuals
| 8. Addition of section.class parameter entity [5]
| 9. Expand the content model of filename (and perhaps some related elements)
|    to be broader than smallcptr.char.mix. [6][7]
| 10. Content model issues relating to lists and procedures.[8][9]
| 11. Any other business
| Upcoming Meetings
| -----------------
| 27 Jul 2001: Teleconference
| 28 Sep 2001: Teleconference
| 14 Dec 2001: Face-to-face colocated with XML/MT 2001 (Orlando, FL)
| [1] http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/meetings/min20010223.html
| [2] http://sourceforge.net/projects/docbook/
| [3] http://www.ibiblio.org/osrt/omf/
| [4] http://dublincore.org/
| [5] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200103/msg00005.html
| [6] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200103/msg00006.html
| [7] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/200101/msg00059.html
| [8] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200103/msg00001.html
| [9] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/200104/msg00016.html
|                                         Be seeing you,
|                                           norm
| -- 
| Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>      | It'll cost you.
| http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | 
| Chair, DocBook Technical Committee |

                                        Be seeing you,

[a] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/200102/msg00067.html
[b] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/200105/msg00047.html
[c] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/200105/msg00043.html
[d] http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/
[e] http://franklin.oit.unc.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=ldp-meta
[f] http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=11543

Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>      | If you run after wit you will
http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | succeed in catching
Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | folly.--Montesquieu

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