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Subject: Re: [docbook-tc] DocBook Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: 15 September 2004

Sorry about that.  I'll amend the minutes.
Bob Stayton
Sagehill Enterprises
DocBook Consulting
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [docbook-tc] DocBook Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: 15 September 2004


I had given my regrets verbally at the previous [August] meeting for the Sept. 15th meeting, knowing that I would be out of the country on vacation during that time.

Nancy Harrison
IBM Rational Software
Phone: 781-676-2535

"Bob Stayton" <bobs@sagehill.net>

09/15/2004 07:16 PM

"DocBook Technical Committee" <docbook-tc@lists.oasis-open.org>
[docbook-tc] DocBook Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: 15 September 2004

DocBook Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: 15 September 2004

The DocBook Technical Committee met on Wednesday, 15 September 2004 at
05:00p EDT (02:00p PDT, 21:00GMT, 22:00BST, 23:00CEST, 06:00JST+,
02:30a India+).


1. Roll call

Present: Steven Cogorno, Gary Cornelius, Paul Grosso,
Dick Hamilton, Scott Hudson, Mark Johnson,
Jirka Kosek, Larry Rowland, Mike Smith, Bob Stayton, Norman Walsh

Regrets: none

Absent: Adam Di Carlo, Nancy Harrison

2. Accepted the minutes[1] of the previous meeting

3. Next meeting: 20 October 2004.

No regrets.

4. Review of the agenda.

Added committee charter as item 5g.
Added review of 4.4 as item 13a.

5. Review of open action items

 a. Mike to provide a better proposal for choicelist markup.

 b. Bob to identify elements in DocBook that correspond to
    valid locations of HTML forms in HTML output.

 d. Norm to generate web pages for 4.2, 4.3, and 4.4x.

 e. Norm to write a draft Committee charter.

 f. Gary to investigate ISO 9000 regarding guidelines for
    accepting or rejecting requests.

5g. Committee charter

Norm circulated a draft [2], and it was commented on by
Karl Best of OASIS [3].   Some of the comments may
not apply to a committee that mostly does maintenance
of an existing standard.  Norm will ask Karl for
clarification.  We also need to set specific goals, and Norm
suggested that DocBook 4.4 be done this year, and
DocBook 5.0 be done next year.

Based on Karl's comments, Norm
will create a second draft for the next meeting.

ACTION: Norm to write second draft charter.

6. Status of DTD version 4.4 beta

Norm released DocBook 4.4b2 on 26 August. [4]
He suggested everyone test drive it so that we
can designate it a CR1 release at the next meeting.

7. Bug in Simplified DocBook 1.1 CR1 (Mark)

Norm identified two bugs: one in subscript and superscript,
and one in system ids pointing to Norm's hard drive.
Suggestions for fixes were accepted.

ACTION: Norm to release CR2.

8. "Committee Draft" vs. "OASIS Standard".

Bob related the story of one vendor who was holding off
on implementing DocBook 4.3 because it was labeled as
a "Committee Draft", which implies that it is not finished.
Norm reported that OASIS removed the designation "Committee Specification"
and so only "OASIS Standard" is available.  The latter requires
more work to receive because the full OASIS membership must vote.
Norm thinks the Committee Specification designation may come

ACTION: Norm to write to OASIS requesting restoration of Committee
or equivalent.  He should cite Bob's vendor example.

9. Annotation proposal (Mike).  [5] [6]

Norm implemented an annotation scheme based on Mike's proposal. [7]
Discussion of two content models for annotation: simple and
complex. simple is basically text and would be used in
output attribute values and tool tips).  Complex could include
paras, lists, tables, etc. and would be presented in a separate
area.  Both are needed for different circumstances
Larry suggested two elements with different content models:
annotation and shortannotation or simpleannotation.
Steve suggested a single annotation element
with child elements determining simple or complex.
No final decision yet.  Decided to post Norm's page and
start a discussion on the list.

ACTION: Norm to post his annotations page to the mailing list.

10. Accessibility.

Discussed Larry's list [8] of potential improvements
for accessibility.  Many can be done with an annotation
mechanism, so they will be considered together.  Current
use of attributes has limitations: some browsers only
show first 100 characters of the title attribute text.
One additional area is making tables more accessible.
Norm will forward info from Larry about tables.

ACTION: Norm to forward Larry's mail about table accessibility.

ACTION: Norm to contact Mark Pilgrim, author of
Dive Into Accessibility [9], about accessibility issues.

11. Discuss guidelines for accepting or rejecting requests.

Gary reported on his review of ISO9000, which recommended
that we fully document our process and results.  He suggested
creating a flow diagram would help.  We currently use the
SourceForge RFE mechanism to track and document the requests.
We could be more careful in adding comments as issues are
resolved.  We will consider this item again at the
next meeting.

12. html:form should be available in more places
  than in %divcomponent.mix;  [10] [11]

Bob sent a proposal to the list [12]
suggesting additional places where the html:form element
could be added.  Norm proposed we adopt the proposal.
The proposal was accepted.

13. Review of Requests for Enhancement

   To browse a specific RFE, enter the URL (on one line):


     1014806 Add protocol to systemitem class list

Norm proposed that we accept this.
The committee approved this request.

     1025286 Support xml:space

Norm proposed that we accept this.
The committee approved this request.

13a.  Review DocBook 4.4 content.

Based on the actions at this meeting, the committee decided
to add the following to 4.4:

- Add 'protocol' to systemitem class list.
- Add optional xml:space="preserved" attribute to verbatim elements.
- Add html:forms hook to 9 more parameter entities.

ACTION: Norm to produce DocBook 4.4CR1 this week.

Meeting adjourned at 6:25pm EDT.

    The following RFEs are awaiting action items

     973446 Replace Footnote with Annotation
     413389 Enhance METHODNAME and VARNAME (Norm, generic linking)
     431411 RFE 70: add generic linking capability (Norm)
     522552 Add title attribute to <ulink> element (Mike, annotations)
     565637 Associate non-inline image with link (Norm, generic linking)
     574880 Add annotation element (Mike)
     623524 (Re)Consider "choicelist" markup (Mike)

    The following RFEs are identified as V5.0 or later

     974285 Check floatstyle/float attributes
     958393 remove default class value from productname
     531851 Remove inline person name elements
     532088 Remove RevHistory from qandaentry
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[1] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200408/msg00012.html
[2] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200409/msg00009.html
[3] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200409/msg00010.html
[4] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/200408/msg00029.html
[5] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200406/msg00003.html
[6] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200406/msg00005.html
[7] http://norman.walsh.name/2004/09/10/annotations
[8] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200408/msg00002.html
[9] http://diveintoaccessibility.org/
[10] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-apps/200406/msg00081.html
[11] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/200404/msg00032.html
[12]  http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200409/msg00011.html

Bob Stayton
Sagehill Enterprises
DocBook Consulting

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