Re: [docbook-tc] Fw: [docbook] Marking up an article in a bibliography

["Bob Stayton" <bobs@sagehill.net>]

Hi Dick,
In this case, Peter was using articleinfo inside a biblioentry element.  I 
guess in DB4 we allowed articleinfo in biblioentry specifically for the use 
case of recording the article data as opposed to the journal metadata. In 
DB5, we allow all the children of info, but not info itself.  I'm not sure 
info would be appropriate for this use case, but I'm not sure what would be.

Bob Stayton
Sagehill Enterprises
bobs@sagehill.net

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From: "Richard Hamilton" <hamilton@xmlpress.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:46 PM
To: "DocBook Technical Committee" <docbook-tc@lists.oasis-open.org>
Subject: Re: [docbook-tc] Fw: [docbook] Marking up an article in a 
bibliography

> Hi Peter,
>
> The info element replaced articleinfo (and all of the XYZinfo elements) 
> when the standard went to DB 5.0.
>
> However, even in 4.x, title inside articleinfo still meant the title of 
> the article, not the title of the journal the article came from. So, if I 
> understand correctly that you put the title of the article in a title 
> element outside articleinfo and the title of the journal in a title 
> element inside articleinfo, then even in 4.x this was not the best way to 
> indicate the journal title. And in DB 5.0 having title in both places is a 
> syntax error; you can only have one title, though it can be either inside 
> or outside the info element.
>
> Here's what I would do instead:
>
> <article...>
> <title>Article Title</title> <!-- the title could be inside or outside the 
> <info> element -->
> <info>
>  <bibliomset relation="journal">
> <title>Journal of Cool Stuff</title>
> <volumenum>2</volumenum> .... <!-- all the usual bibliographic stuff -->
>  </bibliomset>
> </info>
> ...
>
> The bibliomset element is used for "related bibliographic information," 
> which seems to be the context you're looking for here. And with bibliomset 
> you also have a lot of other bibliographic elements that you can use in 
> addition to the title.
>
> Best Regards,
> Dick Hamilton
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>
>
> On Jan 27, 2013, at 12:07 AM, Dave Pawson wrote:
>
> > On 27 January 2013 07:13, Bob Stayton <bobs@sagehill.net> wrote:
> > > I'm wondering if the DocBook TC missed something here.  Does this ring a
> > > bell with anyone?
> >
> > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > From: "Peter Flynn" <peter@silmaril.ie>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:41 AM
> > > To: <docbook@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > > Subject: [docbook] Marking up an article in a bibliography
> > >
> > > > I seem to have missed something here.
> > > >
> > > > In DB4 and before, there was an articleinfo element type in 
> > > > biblioentry,
> > > > in which you could keep title (and author etc) separate from the title 
> > > > of
> > > > the journal (for which you could use title as a direct child element of
> > > > biblioentry).
> > > >
> > > > articleinfo has gone AWOL, and there is no replacement info. What is 
> > > > now
> > > > the approved method for distinguishing between the title of an article 
> > > > and
> > > > the title of the journal (or conference, or collection, or newsgroup, 
> > > > etc)
> > > > in which it was published?
> >
> > No Bob, but info/title seems 'wrong' for the current definition of title?
> > Peter was abusing the markup using it like this?
> >
> > metadata about the article could / should provide 'the series/journal' 
> > ...
> > from which the article came though.
> >
> > My 2 cents worth.
> >
> >
> > regards
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dave Pawson
> > XSLT XSL-FO FAQ.
> > Docbook FAQ.
> > http://www.dpawson.co.uk
> >
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