Re: DOCBOOK: Is it possible in DocBook?

[Roman Suzi <rnd@onego.ru>]

On 4 Feb 2001, Adam Di Carlo wrote:

>Roman Suzi <rnd@onego.ru> writes:
>
>> However, I have some questions I did not found good answers for in
>> docs. The destination format is RTF (with TeX and HTML output also
>> desirable). I have stylesheets-0.13rh-4.rpm installed (DocBook 3.1)
>>
>> 1. My book will be in Russian. Russian seem to be supported but when I
>> tried lang="ru" in the chapter example - I do not see "Glava" written
>> where it need to be. (de and fr are fine outputting "Kapitel and
>> Chaptier").
>
>Check the 'common/dbl1ru.ent' file -- I believe all the stuff there is
>translated.  If not, talk to Norm. But see below.

Yes, it is. The problem is it doesn't get to the .tex file!

>> How do I add russian text here conveniently?
>> (not by &Ecy;&tcy;&ocy; - or is it the only way?)
>
>If you do it in XML, can't you use Unicode?  Is that "convenient" ?

Yes, I can translate to it easily.

>> (If it is, I could write a simple convertor, but if it is possible to
>> feed in koi8-r encoding - it would be great!)
>
>It should be possible to use koi8-r encoding directly in XML or SGML,
>but I've never tried to do it, so I'm not sure how you slap around
>jade or openjade to tell it about the encoding.  In XML, can't the
>top-level <?xml ..> processing instruction indicate the encoding?  I
>have DebianDOC/SGML documents in Russian which are in koi8-r encoding,
>with stuff like this in it:
>
>      <title>Установка Debian GNU/Linux &release; для &arch-title;</title>

It is even readable here, in the mail :-)

>It works for me.  I'm use JadeTeX 3.20.  You need the cyrillic stuff
>installed, as well as TIPA:
>
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/tipa/t3ptm.fd)
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/cyrillic/t2acmr.fd)
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/ts1cmr.fd)
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/hyperref/nameref.sty)
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/t1phv.fd)
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/cyrillic/t2acmss.fd)

I have everythong but /tipa/.
What is your version of tipa? Where can I get it?
(I get 5 year old version of tipa from CTAN - but am not
sure if it will do it.


>> 2. Russian letters are somewhat incorrect (in jadeTeX version). The word
>> "Test" when written in Russian (&ecy; instead of &iecy; is used to show
>> that letter is wrong) consists from letters of different fonts.
>
>This is possible.  Try with a newest JadeTeX.  I read in there:
>
>  \expandafter\def\csname Entiecy\endcsname{\cyrchar\cyre }% U0435%
>
>Is that incorrect?

It looks right.

>> 3. In my book I need xref capabilities like \pageref in LaTeX. I have not
>> found them in the DocBook docs. (I need page references not just section
>> references.) Is there any way to use them in RTF and TeX backends?
>
>I feel like I knew this and forgot it.  I don't see any stock
>customization parameter for this.

TeX certainly does it. I wonder if RTF could contain pageref
info intact. (When I look into RTF doc with refs - I see some
"fields" inserted. I am not sure if jade can produce ones.)

>It is definately doable with a DSSSL style customization, but I don't
>have any examples offhand.  You could ask on the DSSSL list.

Of course, it is doable! But I am no expert in RTF.

>> Or would you advice something else? For example, is there comparable in
>> quality _freeware_ LaTeX -> RTF converter which could convert tables,
>> cross-pagerefs?
>
>Dunno offhand.  I think documenting technical stuff in DocBook makes
>more sense since it's got more structure for this than LaTeX does.

Sincerely yours, Roman Suzi
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