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Subject: Re: [docbook] Too Strict Content Model for abstract?

Sorry Thomas, I see someone replied to you directly :-)

FWIW, I agree with you. I only use <para> with inline / text content 
myself, as if it were <simpara>. I've sometimes wished there was a 
semantically empty wrapper or div element in DocBook to meet the 
requirements that Aaron notes.

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On 03/02/15 16:33, Aaron DaMommio wrote:

> Copying the list.
> You have some interesting points, Thomas. I'll add that another reason I
> like to put lists inside of their introducing paras is that in my xml
> editor, that means I can grab the whole semantic unit as one object.
> And further to my point about reuse...it's often important to put a
> whole concept in a single element in order to use it with an xinclude,
> so combining the list into its introductory para helps with that too.
> --Aaron
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Thomas Schraitle <tom_schr@web.de
> <mailto:tom_schr@web.de>> wrote:
>     Hi Aron,
>     On Tue, 3 Feb 2015 10:11:32 -0600
>     Aaron DaMommio <aaron@damommio.com <mailto:aaron@damommio.com>> wrote:
>      > Aha, I see where you're going with that. I have completely the
>      > opposite preference: I typically prefer lists to be contained within
>      > the paragraph that introduces them. That makes more sense to me
>      > functionally. When editing or reusing, it means you have access to
>      > either the para (as a container of itself and the list) or the list
>      > alone. I don't see that you give up any flexibility that way.
>     Ah, that's interesting. :)
>     Maybe it's a matter of taste, but for me a paragraph is text and (maybe)
>     some inline elements. For me it doesn't make sense to "insert" a block
>     element into a paragraph. Block elements are per se an interuption
>     of the
>     normal text flow. Although I can understand that they can be useful
>     for some and to emphasis its semantic togetherness. I don't like this
>     concept. :)
>      > Also, your problem, in this case, stems only from a customization ...
>      > and not even a simple subset; you're saying, 'I have a problem if I
>      > choose a subset AND alter the behavior of para'.
>     Well, yes, maybe this is not the best sentence. :)
>      > The fact that there are several cases (I think) where only paras are
>      > allowed inside something else leads me to think that lists-in-paras
>      > is a feature, not a problem, or that it was a design choice. But I'd
>      > love to hear someone with actual historical knowledge pipe up.
>     It is a feature and for some people it has a real value.
>     Maybe my dislike comes from the fact that writing customization layers
>     in XSLT can be a pain when dealing with such mixed content. If you have
>     paras and other block elements, there is a clear separation.
>      > On the other hand, perhaps we'd be better off if the model was
>      > simpler and instead of paras, every place where a para is allowed
>      > allowed any block element. Would there be problems with that path, I
>      > wonder? I'd want to review the schema.
>     Not sure. Probably, it makes the schema more elaborate. Plus you have
>     to adapt the XSLT stylesheets as well to understand all the
>     combinations -- and deal with unusual combinations appropriately.
>     Well, usually DocBook has a very relaxed or broad content modell. I
>     observed the opposite with abstract. Not sure why this is the case,
>     that why I' wondering and wrote this to the list.
>     --
>     Gruß/Regards,
>          Thomas Schraitle
> --
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