Raw Minutes Chat for meeting #216 on 2018-09-24 (informal)

["Mr. Stefan Hagen" <stefan@hagen.link>]

Below chat trace shall document, that members of the TC hel an informal meeting only, as quroum was not reached.
[18:10] Stefan Hagen: Agenda draft:
[18:10] Stefan Hagen: 1. Welcome by the Co-Chair (Stefan Hagen)
2. Minutes taker
All write into the chat, Stefan assembles and uploads into document area.
3. Roll call
Regrets from Andreas.
4. Approval of the agenda
5. Approval of minutes from previous calls
5.1 Minutes from call #215 on 2018-09-10:
URL = https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/63902/chat_trace_dss-meeting-20180910-215.txt
6. DSS Core 2.0 Status of CSD01 in public review
Announcement and invitation for comment:
URL=https://www.oasis-open.org/news/announcements/invitation-to-comment-on-digital-signature-service-core-protocols-elements-and-bi
6.1 Duration of comment period
The public review started August 30, 2018 at 00:00 UTC and ends September 28 at 23:59 UTC.
6.2 Public comments received so far
Note: The TC will not start work on DSS Core 2.0 before the public review has ended.
7. Profiles
8. Next meeting
Suggested to meet again on 2018-OCT-08  (usual bi-weekly schedule again)
9. AOB
[18:11] Stefan Hagen: Quorum not yet reached, review ongoing, so for now informal meeting until either another member joins (quorum) or we run out of topics
[18:11] Stefan Hagen: Welcome
[18:11] Stefan Hagen: 2. Minutes taker
All write into the chat, Stefan assembles and uploads into document area.
3. Roll call
Regrets from Andreas.
[18:11] Stefan Hagen: Heads-up from Detlef, that ongoing business meeting might block him from participating
[18:12] Stefan Hagen: 6. DSS Core 2.0 Status of CSD01 in public review
Announcement and invitation for comment:
URL=https://www.oasis-open.org/news/announcements/invitation-to-comment-on-digital-signature-service-core-protocols-elements-and-bi
6.1 Duration of comment period
The public review started August 30, 2018 at 00:00 UTC and ends September 28 at 23:59 UTC.
6.2 Public comments received so far
Note: The TC will not start work on DSS Core 2.0 before the public review has ended.
[18:14] Stefan Hagen: During the meeting check: No further comments received from the public on dss-x-comments mailing list
[18:14] Stefan Hagen: 7. Profiles
[18:14] Stefan Hagen: Skipped
[18:14] Stefan Hagen: ETSI comment XSD structure:
[18:14] Stefan Hagen: This belongs to section 6.
[18:15] Stefan Hagen: EJvN suggests that reacting on the ETSI feedback on the complexity esp. the sequence issue with the schema (XML)
[18:16] Stefan Hagen: EJvN: suggests to fix the order as also in JSON we have to "do something" when (more) profiles are added to an implementation / service
[18:17] Stefan Hagen: From mailing list https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dss-x/email/archives/201809/msg00022.html
[18:17] Stefan Hagen: "A downside of this approach is the ordering of profile-specifics. If there are more than one profile with additional Optionals involved, the ordering of the profile-related elements is unclear (core, profile 1, profile2 or core, profile2, profile1). We should add a comment regarding this aspect."
[18:17] Stefan Hagen: Mail in thread (previous from EJvN): "second your proposal to accept the ordering/sequence of xml elements.
XML is not json and vice versa   so I expect that xml developers will benefit from a more straightforward structure..."
[18:18] Stefan Hagen: EJvN: We discussed some time ago, we suggested lexical ordering w.r.t. to the element names - a reasonable fallback
[18:19] Stefan Hagen: Stefan: Frantically agree (and remembers) that in case no semantic is available, a well chosen architecture should always fall back on the native ordering of the representation (syntax) in this case the element names
[18:20] Stefan Hagen: 8. Next meeting
Suggested to meet again on 2018-OCT-08  (usual bi-weekly schedule again)
[18:20] Stefan Hagen: 9. AOB
[18:20] Stefan Hagen: Meeting adjourned