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Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Process-Oriented Architectures (POA)


Joe,

The direct answer is - of course BPM is part of the stack - are
you proposing we REMOVE it from where its been all along?!?

Is someone building cars without steering wheels yet?!?  Is
anyone buying them?

See ebXML architecture for starters - and then both JJ and my
articles on SOA at ebXMLforum.com - with appropriate
diagrams - not to mention slide #26 from presentation here:

 http://drrw.net/presentations/ebXML%20Today%20-%20March%2004.zip

Cheers, DW.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
To: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>
Cc: "ebSOA" <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>; "Monica J. Martin"
<monica.martin@sun.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Process-Oriented Architectures (POA)


> Hmmm...I think I missed a direct answer to my question in all of this.
> ;)
>
> Joe
>
> David RR Webber wrote:
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > I just telegraphed the British Embassy and Prince Charles
> > is going to have a word with his mother for us.
> >
> > Nice to have this hot line.  Clearly will greatly help us
> > fend off imposters and claimants trying to usurp our
> > position as the authorities on ebSOA.
> >
> > You may also want to check out JJs article
> > at http://www.ebXMLforum.com  where he diagrams same.
> >
> > Cheers, DW.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
> > To: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>
> > Cc: "ebSOA" <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>; "Monica J. Martin"
> > <monica.martin@sun.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Process-Oriented Architectures (POA)
> >
> > > David RR Webber wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Joe,
> > > >
> > > > I humbly submit this is a redherring.
> > > >
> > > > Service Oriented IMHO already implies Process by extension  - since
> > > > behind the delivery of any service there must be a process
> > > > controlling and facilitating it.   Tha'ts why BPSS and BPEL are part
> > > > of the SOA stack.
> > >
> > > Thanks David - but according to whom are they part of the SOA stack?
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > > We need another acronym like a hole in the head - let's leave that
> > > > stuff to the professionals at Gartner to dream up, eh?  ; -)
> > > >
> > > > Cheers, DW.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
> > > > To: "ebSOA" <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > > > Cc: "Monica J. Martin" <monica.martin@sun.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:30 AM
> > > > Subject: [ebsoa] Process-Oriented Architectures (POA)
> > > >
> > > > > I know that our concentration is to be service-oriented
architectures,
> > > > > but at the same time I'm thinking about what will lie beyond (so
that
> > we
> > > > > can best prepare). A term popped into my head on the way home
> > yesterday
> > > > > (the DC Beltway apparatentely inspires me): Process-Oriented
> > > > > Architecture, or "POA".
> > > > >
> > > > > Has anyone heard this term used before? I Google'd it and found
few
> > > > > hits, all of which seemed to be individual (rather than corporate)
> > > > > references.
> > > > >
> > > > > As you can tell from the term, just as SOAs enable (involve, pick
your
> > > > > favorite word here) the use of shared services, POAs will extend
SOAs
> > to
> > > > > enable the use of shared Web Services-based processes that are
based
> > on
> > > > > shared Web Services that are defined within SOAs, working in
concert
> > > > > with each other. So for a US federal application (my primary
client),
> > > > > this could mean a set of shared Web Services-based business
processes
> > > > > for federal agencies, in a flexible, agile, process environment.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does this concept resound with anyone?
> > > > > --
> > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > > Joseph Chiusano
> > > > > Associate
> > > > > Booz | Allen | Hamilton
> > > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kind Regards,
> > > Joseph Chiusano
> > > Associate
> > > Booz | Allen | Hamilton
> > >
>
> -- 
> Kind Regards,
> Joseph Chiusano
> Associate
> Booz | Allen | Hamilton
>



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